Gay Marriage!

[SuKa]

Personally, I'm for gay marriage. But I know that some people aren't, so I wanted to catch some opinions from this forum.

[Akira Raine]

I am too. I believe it's the persons choice if they want a gay marriage. It may be against someone's religion, but every person can make their own choices and I don't think the government should prevent those choices. So i say if they want it, let them have it.

[Rock Solid]

**** NO! personally I just hate seeing gay couples. just like that song. they can just go to ****.

[SuKa]

**** NO! personally I just hate seeing gay couples. just like that song. they can just go to ****.

Why? Why do you hate them? If you hate them, then that means you hate half of me. I'm Bi. And freaking proud. I really can't stand people that are like, "Leviticus says that the gays should die!!" Leviticus doesn't apply anymore, people.

[Nori]

Hell no. I personally don't agree with gayness period. It's more nasty to me than anything that you would want something stuck up your butt.

Also the fact that what can come out of to guy's doin it. absolutely nothing.

"Leviticus says that the gays should die!!" Leviticus doesn't apply anymore, people.

I also disagree with this. Leviticus is part of the Bible and its not irrelavant just because its in the Old Testament. I'm not saying they should die but their is no point in it.

[SuKa]

[QUOTE=Nori]Also the fact that what can come out of to guy's doin it. absolutely nothing[QUOTE]

Things come out of guys having sex together. Its called "pleasure" deary.

[QUOTE=Nori]It's more nasty to me than anything that you would want something stuck up your butt.[QUOTE]

Okay let's grow up a little bit. There are people who enjoy having things done to them like that. For example, myself. I'm a girl, and yet, I still enjoy it, most of the time. Just because you don't like it, means that you have to belittle others because they do? That would be like me turning to you and saying, "Ew! You like chocolate ice cream?! You're nasty go away."

[Akira Raine]

Hell no. I personally don't agree with gayness period. It's more nasty to me than anything that you would want something stuck up your butt.
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Well then don't stick something up your ass if you don't want to. Nori your just saying that YOU don't ever want to be gay because YOU think it's nasty. But what about the other people? If they like it, why would you tell them that they can't do soemthing they want. If you think the fact is disgusting, it's not like your going to watch it or anything.

OK, it might be nasty to you guys, but why would you have a problem of them doing it. I mean it's not like your going to watch them get married or anything. It's totally the persons choice. Even if they dont' get married they are still going to do stuff together, but that isn't ever going to be against the law. People do it, so what if it's nasty, it's THEIR choice. Why would you care what other people choose about their lives? The fact might be nasty but what does that have to do anything with you? I think they have a right to choose. Just like every human does. You pick who your going to married to, boy or girl. I don't think it matters. As long as they love eachother.

And no i'm not against gay people cuz i have a gay friend.

[SuKa]

Well then don't stick something up your ass if you don't want to. Nori your just saying that YOU don't ever want to be gay because YOU think it's nasty. But what about the other people? If they like it, why would you tell them that they can't do soemthing they want. If you think the fact is disgusting, it's not like your going to watch it or anything.

OK, it might be nasty to you guys, but why would you have a problem of them doing it. I mean it's not like your going to watch them get married or anything. It's totally the persons choice. Even if they dont' get married they are still going to do stuff together, but that isn't ever going to be against the law. People do it, so what if it's nasty, it's THEIR choice. Why would you care what other people choose about their lives? The fact might be nasty but what does that have to do anything with you? I think they have a right to choose. Just like every human does. You pick who your going to married to, boy or girl. I don't think it matters. As long as they love eachother.

And no i'm not against gay people cuz i have a gay friend.


*Huggles Akira* YOu have one and a half gay friends. xD *Points to self* Bi. I make up the half.

[SilentChaos]

im going to agree with.............................................. ...Rock and Nori, Hell NO!!!!!!!!!

[Akira Raine]

Did you read my post at all?? It's their choice. I say they can choose cuz they should be able to get married and love eachother. Why not? Give me 3 good reasons why they SHOULDN'T be able to get married!


*Huggles Akira* YOu have one and a half gay friends. xD *Points to self* Bi. I make up the half.

*huggles back* Actually that means I'd half a lot of halves lol. I have a lot of bi friends, but i know 1 of them is totally gay. So i dont' know how many I have lol.

[SilentChaos]

its wrong
its gay
its queer
it faggy
its Just Wrong!!!
and they cant have kids
people will think strange of them
and if they et a kid....OMG!

[Akira Raine]

Ok, those aren't good excuses. That's only your opinion. I don't think you should strip someone of their choice just because YOU think it's disgusting. If it's so disgusting then just pretend in your mind that gay people WILL never get married. Those are crappy excuses no offense.

[SuKa]

its wrong
its gay
its queer
it faggy
its Just Wrong!!!
and they cant have kids
people will think strange of them
and if they et a kid....OMG!

Okay here we go again.

Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
WHY?!
And they can adopt kids. Who says that gay couples can't raise children just as well?!

[SilentChaos]

its GAY and i meant with them not adopting

[SuKa]

its GAY and i meant with them not adopting

Okay. So they won't adopt. So where's your other reasons? Where's your proof?

[Akira Raine]

They don't seem like good reasons to me.

[SuKa]

*Sighs* It seems some people on this forum really aren't too good at debating.

[Loveless Slave]

Hey! What happened to the, "Doesn't really matter to me" option.

Like some people, I don't really care. They could marry for all they want.

Though it's weird, I'm toward changes. Though changes is really going to destroy the world.

Like me with Clones. I am for clones, and robots. etc.

[SilentChaos]

would you like it if ever was in the world was gay? i wouldnt

[SuKa]

would you like it if ever was in the world was gay? i wouldnt

But that's not the case, now is it?

[Loveless Slave]

No, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. It's just the right toward your freedom. If you want to do something go ahead and do it but know the consequences.

I'm straight, heck girls call me a pervert for stupid reasons, but I don't care if people are gay. My cousin is gay and I don't care. It's his life. Let him do whatever he wants with it.

[Swift]

I think its morally wrong, and that homosexuals should go to hell.

Nonetheless, they have a righ to live life they want to, get married? should be up to them.

Anyways, in other words, might as well let them live their life, their gonna spent the rest of eternity in hell, so let them have their fun.

[CK]

i agree 100% with vegarzs
but i dont wanna see a gay nation
so i say burn in hell and dont get married

[Akira Raine]

It's just the right toward your freedom. If you want to do something go ahead and do it but know the consequences.

My cousin is gay and I don't care. It's his life. Let him do whatever he wants with it.

That has been my point the whole time. Cept Ud was being stubborn. I'm glad someone feels the same about it as I do. I agree with Slade 100%

[CK]

they can have sex what more do they want it written in paper
its wrong and inmoral

[SilentChaos]

i agree with ck

[Nori]

Suka you wanted people to post their opinion don't bash them for not agreeing with you....same thing with you akira. you saying that its "there choice" is not gonna change there mind about the matter.

[Akira Raine]

they can have sex what more do they want it written in paper
its wrong and inmoral

IT'S THEIR CHOICE! It's wrong and immoral to you! But two gay people may be in loev with eachother. They have every right to marry as any one else does. If two people of the same sex love eachother they have every right to marry. Just like any two people are. I don't see how there's a difference.

[Loveless Slave]

Hell, let them. It's not your problem if two people from the same sex gets intimate.

There's nothing you can do about it. If a person loves another person of the same sex, I don't see why that's a problem of our own.

Not saying that it is not wrong, just frankly... all I'm saying is... just let them.

Edit: ....yeaaaah What Nori said. lol. Just stating my opinion... and debating...

[SilentChaos]

ya what nori said damn it im not thinking of anything to say

[Swift]

It's wrong and immoral, thats the difference.

The world continues because women and men mate, and if it slowly begins to go against the laws of nature then it just doesn't work, it may be small now, but there is no guarantee it will not cease to grow.

[Akira Raine]

Ok yeah Nori, you are right, this isn't a debate though we could easily make it one but I TOTALLY agree with Slade. Now i'm done.

[Stevil]

N to the O. I have nothing against gays, but gay marriages take the point out of getting married. Like when you get married and get divorced. You can't reproduce with eachother, therefore you shouldn't get married.

Though, I personally hate marriage and would like to cut the throats of half the fucking assholes who'm go out with eachother.

[SilentChaos]

iight

[Hellspire]

Quite honestly after the first page I decided not to read anymore because this seems to be the typical conversation. I am straight and proud of it. However, if gay couples want to have sex, walk in public, or get married... let them. It makes me laugh to see whites, blacks, and everyone else either spurn it or not. Yet, slavery and discrimination of blacks in America is regarded as the worst evil ever. It is the same thing. I am white by the way. Martin Luther King Jr. said (this may not be exact) "there are two types of bad laws; those that are passed by [...] and those that are passed by a majority against a minority that has no say in the matter." I really wish I remember the quote exactly, but whatever. Therefore if gays are denied the right to marry, and if people wish to spurn gays, then those who do so are no better than those who discriminated blacks, or the KKK who is not only against gays, but every non-white person.

The fact that some people cling to religion for the answer to this despute (like most republicans and some democrats) is completely beyond me. The bible, the koran, and any other religious doctrine is written in a biased manner. So thus, relying on it for an overall outcome like Bush does in practically everything he does is beyond me.

I hope that gays get the right to marry universally. I even hope that they can walk in the street in front of me. Hey, I might not be a practiconer, but I will not determine their fate for them... I'm sorry if I offended anyone in terms of the religious aspect, but it's true.

[xBellax]

I agree with Hellspire completley. So what if they are the same sex? Marriage is for two people who love each other and if two guys or two girls love each other...then let them get married! If its so wrong, then why is homosexuality in the animal kingdom? And dont tell me its not because it is! If it was so wrong, then it wouldnt exist in the first place. People can go ahead and hate gay marriage but they shouldnt stop it. They have no right,especially the government, to stop them from being married? What happend to "lif, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? "pursuit of happiness" people!!! if being gay makes them happy, then by all means they should be allowed to be and not hated for it or not be allowed to marry.

[Stevil]

But smoking pot makes me happy and I'm not aloud to do that.

Same with drinking for that matter.

I hate to say it DMG, but people compare themselves to animals too much. Animals are very inferior creatures to humans, and should not be used very often in comparison. Animals screw other animals of the same sex because they're stupid and horny. People screw other people of the same sex because people of the opposite sex don't appeal to them.
I've never met a gay couple that was in love. They appear to like eachother because they find the other person "attractive" and end up screwing eachother. They only want to get married so people will not discriminate against them so much. Which, I am against discrimination, but marriage should be a sacred thing, and if I had it my way, I would make it illegal to get married as easily as people do. I would also illegalize divorces.
Also, do not compare gays to blacks. Being gay is a choice people made in their life. Being black is something you are born with and cannot help. And GODDAMNIT TO HELL don't give me that MOTHER FUCKING "some people are born gay" shit! People are not born gay. People are born as infants with the capabilities to learn and react. Saying you were born gay, is like saying you were born liking a band. It's not possible. Factors throughout your lifetime affect if you grow up to be straight or gay. Most gays appear to have been hurt by women/men, or have something against them. Others spend too much time with women/men and grow attracted to people of the same sex purely by the fact that they don't spend enough time with them. Others have different reasons. Either way, you cannot be born gay!

[Swift]

i wouldn't go so far as to illegalize divorces, after growing up in a troubled family i can easily say that my life as well as my parents and siblings has improved in quality since they seperated, sometimes it just does not work out.

I dont agree with gay marriages though(stevil's post actually affected me). Marriage has been a religious practice, until recent times where it's signifiance has been lowered. Marriage has always been a bonding between two people, mainly so they can go fuck each other and have a child. Gay marriages would take that away. I dont know i just dont agree with it anymore.

[xBellax]

you both have some good points that i do agree with but whos right is it to control someone elses life? if you tell gay people they cant marry it like someone walking up to you and telling you that you cant do something just because they dont like you doing it. now honestly, tell me that wouldnt make you mad. and besides, yes some gays may be married just to cause trouble, but the more people hate it the more theyre going to want to do it just to defy what others want.

[Swift]

it would all depend on the reason for not allowing em to do something. Homosexuality is a serious issue.

[Hellspire]

What if I were to tell you that religion is all a sham, and that God does not exist. What's more, you actually accept this. Now, what do you have against gay marriages Vegarz if marriage is no longer the province of gays?

Stevil, I get your point. However, it seems that you missed my point entirely. I said that african americans (blacks) and other minorities were discriminated against and look how that turned out. We as americans damnit, discriminated them, and some even took it even further than the law and murdered, raped, beat, etc. (mob rule of the 19th century). My point, to reitterate is not the background of blacks but the way they were treated; it is the same concept.

Also, in regards to you meeting a few gay people, this does not make you an expert on how the average gay feels. While I do acknowledge your reasons for why people become gay as close to the truth as possible, I do not feel that you or I can truthfully say what a gay is or what a gay person feels in any manner. Furthermore, just to point out, we are animals. I don't care what the bible or any other religion says, so thus comparision to it IS actually justifiable on the generalized term "animal." Please do not take this the wrong way and respond to this post asking me whether or not a squirrel can write a letter or whether or not a goat can drive a taxi, this is also another clarifying point.

You know the definition of marriage as a warrent to fuck the hell out of one another is pretty funny. Although that joke only has merit if you consider it from a religious perspective. To sum it all up, and to reitterate. You, nor I, have the right; the government does not; the majority does not; gays and lesbians, DO. We should not stand in the way.

[Hellspire]

it would all depend on the reason for not allowing em to do something. Homosexuality is a serious issue.

As evidence suggests, Bush is highly motivated by religion and the republican viewpoint of prolife, against same-sex marriages and the like. Therefore, if this is his reason (because clearly there is no other good one) then he is being discriminitory..


Here is that correct quote, I was a bit off :sweat: :sweat: :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:

"Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal." (Luther King Jr., 1963)

That quote is taken from his famous letter: "Letter from Birmingham Jail" that you can read here if you want, as it slightly relates to this issue if you look at the sections that is not directly pertaining to segregation itself: http://www.nobelprizes.com/nobel/peace/MLK-jail.html

I really like his work, very well structured.

[Loveless Slave]

Which proves Bush is a bad guy... maybe Bush is like Darth Sidious. O_O OMG!

EDIT: But seriously. I'm with Hellspire and the people who allow (or in my case don't care) about same-sex marriage.

[xBellax]

Im 100% with Slade and Hellspire.

[Hellspire]

Please take a look at my former reply as I have edited it with the correct quote that strengthens my argument.

[Swift]

Sigh, i was excited i go back to my former opinion. Some thought and sicussion has knocked some sense into me. Basically, i agree with Hellspire, although i still dont like the idea of faggots getting married.

[Akira Raine]

Hellspire, DMG, and Slade I'm all with you guys. So that's 4 of us! YAY! I like having people on my side lol. Anyyyyyyyyways. I say let them choose damnit! They shouldn't have their rights taken away from them. We are all humans. And we should all get the same rights and privilages no matter what religion, or whatever we are.

[Swift]

Their humans, but their GAY humans. It makes all the difference.

[Akira Raine]

How the hell does it make a differnce?? They all have the same qualities that we have, they all can eat, sleep and breathe. They are the same SPECIES! So tell me how are they different? Because they find love in the same sex? It really doesn't make a differnce. Everyone finds love in someone and if it's the same sex then what does it really matter. They can choose to love the same sex if they want to. I would'nt but I think they should be allowed to be marriled if they want.

[Nori]

What really is the point of two people of the same sex getting married? What is the point of being a homesexual in the first place?...because you can get pounded by a person of your sex. There is no real point because either way you can't reproduce. Man and female were made to reproduce. If it was made that a man and another man or a woman and another woman were supposed to beat with each other to have kids there wouldn't need to be an opposite sex.

[Akira Raine]

..because you can get pounded by a person of your sex.
I like your choice of words Nori lol.

And there is no point. There really isn't but if they want to go ahead and let them do it. What's the point of collecting stickers? There isn't one but people go ahead and do it anyway because they want to. If a gay person wants to marry a gay person let them do it. It's not hurting anyone. So what if there's no point? It's their choice not yours and if they feel like there is a point to them then let them do it.

[Hellspire]

I will acknowledge that there is an inherent difference between the straight and the curved (or the gay/lesbian/faggot as some slurs go)) which is simply that they cannot reproduce. This was stated a while ago by someone, and it basically means that to some, gays and lesbians are useless because they do not contribute to the continuation of the human race. On the other hand, because we are not in a position to judge their behavior or force them to get married and have children to do so (and we will not suffer if they do or not) it is really a mute issue.

I think this debate is pretty much rapped up unless someone can offer a new perspective not formerly debated.

[Swift]

The differences:

-Homosexuality is a menace to society.
-This county is christian(like it or not), and gay marriages will be despised by the majority of teh nation.

[Nori]

If they try to make this law. I highly doubt that it will be passed. There are more people that are against gay marriage than pro-gay marriage.

I can't vote yet but as I voted here I would still say no...unless I had a real big conviction on this which I doubt I will.

[Hellspire]

Swift, read my reply before yours. Homosexuality is not a menace to society because you are not going to have a gay or lesbian revolution where a critical number of people lack the ability to reproduce because of it. In fact, gay and lesbians contribute around 3% of the total world population! (or so I have heard) so therefore, they are not a menace to society.

Whether or not it will be despised by the community is a mute issue. The same as slavery and segregation it is something that the government refuses to let be the deciding factor in anything (which is why there is no uniform decision.)

[Akira Raine]

Hellspire, you have some good points. Yeah, but it's not like there aren't other people that don't hurt the race. There are some couples that refuse to have kids, so they shouldn't be married either. IS taht waht your saying? It's the exact same thing.

[Hellspire]

If they try to make this law. I highly doubt that it will be passed. There are more people that are against gay marriage than pro-gay marriage.

I can't vote yet but as I voted here I would still say no...unless I had a real big conviction on this which I doubt I will.


You'd be suprised. Remember that we are under a republican partisan government at present. If say a democratic regime were to take over (which may definately happen in 2008) we will see a definate change in how legislation is passed.

[Nori]

Even if the parties change the people will still have to vote on the issue wouldn't they. If the same amount of people think that it shouldn't be done than either way it won't be done.

Edit: Forgot to finish my sentence :lol:

[Hellspire]

Hellspire, you have some good points. Yeah, but it's not like there aren't other people that don't hurt the race. There are some couples that refuse to have kids, so they shouldn't be married either. IS taht waht your saying? It's the exact same thing.

Lol, people tend to exxagerate figures, but in all honesty, the gay/lesbian population is somewhere around 3% and those who refuse to have kids together probably 11% factor in certain disabled, mentally challenged, or those who lack the ability to have children because of bodily disfunctions and we total somewhere around 20% more. Then we must reduce these factors by international differences and so forth, and we come out with something of about 15% of the world population total.

These figures I am just throwing out there, but if you were to go online you would find such. Simple really.

[Akira Raine]

Exactly, so why then does it matter if gay people can't reproduce? there's already a whole bunch of peolpe that can't do it so what is it going to matter? Plus if they won't allow marriages of gay people it's not like they're going to go straight or anything so eiether way they will have no contribution to the race. So i don't see why not.

[Hellspire]

Even if the parties change the people will still have to vote on the issue wouldn't they. If the same amount of people think that it shouldn't be done than either way.


Once again let me refer back to blacks and segregation. The reason why this happened is because most of the south and some parts of the north didn't want equality, and certain senators used the filabuster to stop any resolution in the senate. It was only till Martin Luther King Jr. had the march on Washington that the filabuster effect could no longer work, and a massive sentiment sweeped through the nation on all levels. This may VERY well be the case with gay/lesbian's you don't know HOW people will react over time Nori.


Majorities in our society come and go quickly, and seldom do they have any lasting effects. Thus the gay/lesbian issue might eventually reach a point where the issue can no longer be legally denied.

[Hellspire]

Exactly, so why then does it matter if gay people can't reproduce? there's already a whole bunch of peolpe that can't do it so what is it going to matter? Plus if they won't allow marriages of gay people it's not like they're going to go straight or anything so eiether way they will have no contribution to the race. So i don't see why not.


The contribution to the race nonsense is something that those against it fall behind. Because figures are distorted, like the Social Security privatization scheme that I have recently wrote a paper on, the general public is deceived. It is only till these figures are filtered and the general public becomes aware of it, that those against or for any issue (depending on who use this technique) can no longer use it. Take for instance the Democratic Party on the SSprivatization issue, they no longer say no to the total plan. Rather they now say that they will negotiate all issues. The same for Bush and those for the privatization. Et cetera...

[xBellax]

Ok, about the whole "they cant have children" thing. they could actually be doing some kids a favor. there are thousands of parentless kids in the world and these gay people who cant have kids of their own will adopt them and give them a proper home.

[Nori]

Ok, about the whole "they cant have children" thing. they could actually be doing some kids a favor. there are thousands of parentless kids in the world and these gay people who cant have kids of their own will adopt them and give them a proper home.

I see an issue in that also. Considering that alot of people become homosexuals because they spend to much time with the same sex and not enough with the other. This may/probably cause the adopted child to become a homosexual because he was raised by the same sex. If two homosexual men adopt a boy what do you think the boy will become. I doubt that he will be straight, because he's being raised by people that think its right to have sex with the same sex. I'm not saying that this is definate but it is a very great possibility.

[Akira Raine]

Hellspire, everything you just said, made absolutely no sense to me. I'm not to bright and i have no idea waht your talking about. IT makes no sense to me. Can you tell me in more simpler words that i can understand?

[xBellax]

Nori, yes its a possibility but not a sure thing and its ALWAYS a possibility that someone could turn out homosexual

[Swift]

This country isn't as a democracy as people think. We(the people) dont have too much power, because if you think about it, the only things we actually choose are smaller issues.

[Akira Raine]

that is very true.

[xBellax]

yes..it IS very true indeed. kind of sad as well though.

[Hellspire]

Um basically arguments that derive from a third party source (meaning you hear this reason through the advocacy group) or are very similar too third party sources usually are things that most people go behind. Once these have been filtered objectively and we have the truth of the matter (providing these arguments were not true in the first place) then these arguments no longer apply.

As stated before, for instance, the Social Security Privatization issue was initially pushed by Bush by distorting facts and exagerating projections. The debt from "no-change" to the system was said to be 10 trillion when in fact it was somewhere around 3.7. The democratic party said that they would not accept any change to the system. Similarly the filabuster tactic of the senate, like the democrats, is rarely used because the general public starts to view these actions as the minority who obstructs everything. The democratic and republican parties have both agreed to negotiate simply because of this.

Now apply it to the 'contribution to race' agrument, once that has trully been filtered we come to realize that they actually contribute by adopting children and the like. Therefore, that argument no longer applies because it is no longer true. We can also assume that the governments' right wing will eventually stop prohibiting these marriages because of the negative way it makes them look.

[Stevil]

As evidence suggests, Bush is highly motivated by religion and the republican viewpoint of prolife, against same-sex marriages and the like. Therefore, if this is his reason (because clearly there is no other good one) then he is being discriminitory..

Bush "claims" to be motivated by religion. But he is one of the least religious people I've ever seen. I'm not one to put down christians, but that guy is a poor excuse for one. He honestly should stop doing everything "in God's name", as neither his actions or anyone else in office's actions would be Justified by god.
Screw Bush. I have mild respect for him as a President, but none for him as a christian or as a person.

As for the whole matter of gays not getting married because they can't reproduce with eachother, I'm not getting into that. It's clear to me that people have their own oppinions on gays, and are utterly incappable of being persuaded. Do not take affence, as I am the same way.

Why do gays want to get married so bad anyways? For that matter, why does anyone want to get married? I hope to never get married nor reproduce. Life would be so much better if everyone spent it worrying about their own happyness rather then finding a mate.

Balogna!!!

[Hellspire]

Why do gays want to get married so bad anyways? For that matter, why does anyone want to get married? I hope to never get married nor reproduce. Life would be so much better if everyone spent it worrying about their own happyness rather then finding a mate.


Um, to this all I can say Stevil is that you are young and later in life you WILL find someone that you will want to spend the rest of your life with. Now while it is possible that you may never find someone like this, it is highly improbable. So please, let us not get into the matter of why people would want to get married. Most of us here are far too young to know what we want in those terms.

To your last line I can only respond by saying that marriage is also a form of trying to achieve happiness. While it can be said that a lot of marriages turn out really bad, the initial intention is either happiness, or being forced into it because you impregnated blah blah balh. Overall however, marriage remains the utmost source of happiness. That is, of course, highly theoretical.

[Stevil]

I won't get deep into this, but I find it highly improbbable that I'll ever achieve a spouse.

Anyways, you can't use happyness as an excuse to legalize anything.
If that's the case, they'd be forced to legalize marijuana, underaged drinking, underaged smoking, any other form of drug, public nudity, and the freedom of speech (which they took away from us during the 90's).

[Mystic-Spirit]

i never looked at this much as long as it dont get out of hand that everyone starts marrying each other and it turns out we have no future..actually sometimes its the problem that the nutrients in the body are low in the birth of that baby.Also some ACT gay or bi so they can have a chance at weak minded popularity..which is pathetic.

Hopefully i wont wake up one day seeing girls married to girls all guys married to guys cause then i will get that 9 mm and shoot my brains out..

[SuKa]

i never looked at this much as long as it dont get out of hand that everyone starts marrying each other and it turns out we have no future


Okay. That'll never happen. I mean, the chance that it will happen is probably somewhere along the lines of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000001%. You think that all the people that are alive and against gays are just going to turn around? For example, you think a man and a woman are just going to stare at eachother one day, flip 'em off, and say "Feck you. I'm going with another male/female"? I think not.

..actually sometimes its the problem that the nutrients in the body are low in the birth of that baby

Where did that come from?

Also some ACT gay or bi so they can have a chance at weak minded popularity..which is pathetic.

-_- Unfortunately, it's true. I know a crap-load of girls in my high school who pretend to be bisexual just to get the attention of a guy. That brings up another thing--guys being completely against gays, and yet saying that a girl on a girl is so hot. This utterly pisses me off. Seriously. Girls on girls is lesbian... GAY. Duh.

Hopefully i wont wake up one day seeing girls married to girls all guys married to guys cause then i will get that 9 mm and shoot my brains out..

Well this obviously wouldn't happen. If you woke up and saw all girls married to girls and all guys married to guys, then obviously you would be married to a girl as well. And therefore wouldn't shoot yourself.

<3 SuKa

[Hellspire]

-_- Unfortunately, it's true. I know a crap-load of girls in my high school who pretend to be bisexual just to get the attention of a guy. That brings up another thing--guys being completely against gays, and yet saying that a girl on a girl is so hot.
Just to note, that has been said before.

[Mystic-Spirit]

Where did that come from?



-_- Unfortunately, it's true. I know a crap-load of girls in my high school who pretend to be bisexual just to get the attention of a guy. That brings up another thing--guys being completely against gays, and yet saying that a girl on a girl is so hot. This utterly pisses me off. Seriously. Girls on girls is lesbian... GAY. Duh.

to answer your first question yes its tgrue but likely does not happen a lot,and this change can also occur when your growing up.

A bunch of these Gothic girls/satanist do this for 2 reasons to make it look like they hate god and to get guys attention which is pretty pathetic and insane.

[borge6]

no way man and man are not ment for eatch other its just not right
my health teacher is a lezbo and she cut off her boobs she looks like a man...she scares me... :eek:

[Mystic-Spirit]

id have some kind of grug e against her..

[borge6]

the chick has no boobs you woudlent be able to look at her

[James]

I read like 5 or so posts, so I'm just expressing my opinion (worst idea for me EVER.)

If you look up the word "Marriage" in the dictionary, this is what you get.
(Note: I used www.dictionary.com :P)

n 1: the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce); "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union" [syn: matrimony, union, spousal relationship, wedlock] 2: two people who are married to each other; "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love" [syn: married couple, man and wife] 3: the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony; "their marriage was conducted in the chapel" [syn: wedding, marriage ceremony] 4: a close and intimate union; "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"

With that definition it's saying a couple (2) that love each other with a intimate relationship, joined by legal terms to be together for life.. Two men can have a intimate relationship (obviously) and be in love, what is sad is most of the people now who disagree with this saying it isn't natrual. Gay marriage shouldn't be denied since it's basically telling someone who grew up who is gay that you can never have a serious relationship with another man because its illegal, aside from your feelings because no one cares what you think. So then gays are either going to have to learn to be with a woman or be single for the rest of their lives. Something terribly wrong with all of this and discussing this is that a majority of people who talk about this (like all of us) are still kids or teenagers. So of course you have the people who say "eww gross no cause its nasty". Not to mention I once thought I was bi.. but thats another story. :P

[Akira Raine]

:stupid2:

Exactly.

[Mystic-Spirit]

for once i agree with james but im just scared it may get out of hand..i mean what if this becomes something popular and everyone abuses this privalage for the wrong reason and we wake up with an opposite sex world?i know it sounds farfetched but i mean to shallow and arrogant people they'll do anything to get noticed..

[James]

:stupid2:

Exactly.
I'm not stupid.. :cold: :crybaby:

[jthm12345]

yes u are.... but i dont really care about gay pple getting married its wat they want and america is a free country so they say but i dont think it really is and james how come u never told me about your (bi) story lol wen my mom was talking about wen i had a bf once u got all freaked out lol

[James]

Idk I just used to think I was a long time ago. But im not so whatever..

[jthm12345]

d('')

[James]

Ha ha.. Thumbs up.

[Aco]

Yes, let them do what they want. It's not like its effecting us.

[jthm12345]

lol sure it is effecting us cuz them stupid pple are paying to vote against gay marriage arent they?.... so that means there taking our moneyz >.>

[borge6]

Yes, let them do what they want. It's not like its effecting us.
so that means if you had a dog i could rape it in front of you and you wouldent care or if i was to maerry you dad would that effect you? would you care then?

ps i would never do ether of the to...maybie the dog...jk jk

[Mystic-Spirit]

Bush "claims" to be motivated by religion. But he is one of the least religious people I've ever seen. I'm not one to put down christians, but that guy is a poor excuse for one. He honestly should stop doing everything "in God's name", as neither his actions or anyone else in office's actions would be Justified by god.
Screw Bush. I have mild respect for him as a President, but none for him as a christian or as a person.

i hate that he puts god into it...its like saying if you dont share my point of view then you are against god he is just a man that runs on power he wastes all of the governments money and then when hes low he just takes it from social security,health care,unemployment checks,etc.im sorry if im offending a bush lover but that man is a bastard!i swear the real person that is talking for him is that bastard cheiny..he could never win a debate on his own..i should make a thread on this...no it will start a flaming war i know it. anyway some people think companionship is the only happyness they will ever get..

[borge6]

the gays need to burn!!! no offance but i just dont like gay people they act werd and scare me its just not right and it should never happen

:guns2: :kiss:

[James]

the gays need to burn!!! no offance but i just dont like gay people they act werd and scare me its just not right and it should never happen

:guns2: :kiss:
Honestly, that was totally uncalled for. You're judging people about their sexuality as its something that will end the world. All people want to be accepted in life for who they are, gays are just the same as everyone else, its just who they prefer to have an intimate relationship with.

I think you are to immature for this.

[Mystic-Spirit]

yes but some act like theyre gay for specific and selfish reasons and not for the purpose to be gay..

[James]

The only time I specifically heard about someone being gay for selfish reasons, was on the jerry spinger show. A gay black man having a girlfriend as a coverup to hide his sexual preference from his family... That was todays episode.

[Mystic-Spirit]

a bunch of gothic girls pretend to be bi to get a guys attention..at my school thats a selfish reason.

[James]

So, your saying they're making out to get guys attention?

[borge6]

well my point was that we were never intened to be gay it or at least they dont have to act all the same but they do why...cuz they just want attantion where the hell would you get the idea that you like your own sex thats liek merrying my own sister tell me would any one here like to see 2 guys making otu and touching eatch other in front of you its sick wrong and unlike my last post uncalled for

[James]

I wouldn't care if two guys were making out in front of me. They keep it as their buisness, I won't bother them. And you can't say that we weren't intended to be gay, if that was true, we wouldn't be gay.

[Mystic-Spirit]

So, your saying they're making out to get guys attention?

yes because most guys can not resist that sort of thing which is a mystery to them why they can't.

[James]

Uh. Because its hot and sexy?

[Mystic-Spirit]

yes but i know those girls really dont like each other they even flash around sex pics of themselfs..

[James]

Leik Omfg. Then you stfu, stop complaining, and take them. Duh.

[Rock Solid]

It's just not "natural" for two guys or two girls to be together. remember it is supposed to be a guy and a girl.....but whatever floats your boat I guess.

[borge6]

It's just not "natural" for two guys or two girls to be together. remember it is supposed to be a guy and a girl.....but whatever floats your boat I guess.
THANK YOU FINALY SOME ONE ISENT BLIND I HAVE BEEN MEANING TO SAY THAT FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS
but 2 girls isent bad if you watching and their hot ^_^

[James]

You make yourself think its not natrual. It's something that has been talked into your mind so that you think that way.

If your parents told you 2 + 2 = 5 all your life you would believe that. Thats part of the problem here, most people are talked into thinking that these things arn't natrual so when they grow up they're going to believe they're not.

BTW fuck bush.

[Swift]

it's not natural, it's not a matter of what you've been taught. How in fuck would it be natural for 2 guys to fuck each other? Does it contribute, in any means to the existance of the human race? No, in contrare it is opposes all that.

BUT despite that, I do think it's up to them to fuck each other, but it's not natural.

[CK]

it's not natural, it's not a matter of what you've been taught. How in fuck would it be natural for 2 guys to fuck each other? Does it contribute, in any means to the existance of the human race? No, in contrare it is opposes all that.

BUT despite that, I do think it's up to them to fuck each other, but it's not natural.
i agree with this and borge 6

[James]

Sex itself doesn't have to contribute to anything even if it is with a guy and a girl, thats why they made condoms, so it can just be FUN. guy on guy to them would be FUN. It doesn't always have to be about having children, and if you grow up all your life thinking "I'm not going to have sex unless I want children!" well then your going to have a sad boring ass life.

Half of you don't even know what your talking about, saying man on man isn't natural but then your saying girl on girl is okay because its two girls. Well no shit why your saying that! Pretty much everyone that is talking right now is a guy, but then again girls would have to say the exact opposite to what your saying.

[Swift]

I'm not sayign that. And please, don't start comparing a condom to gay sex, while i see you're point, their different. So please if you truly want to start this argument then tell me so, so I can show to you why it's a stupid comparison.

And besides, condom's aren't natural either. Now, tell me, in what is gay sex natural. Note the word "natural," somethign fun is not always natural.

[James]

It's only as natural as you make it be in your head.

[borge6]

ill tell you why its wrong its wrong bacause it never was ment to its plane and simple the onley reson guys would like eatch other is 1. cuz they cant get girls 2.for attantion and 3. if they have "issues'

being gay is nothing to be proud of and never should of heppend and its an embarisment to the world

also if you havent notaced all fags act the same they talk like chicks, have high voices, and act "odd"

for example:
http://dirkie.nu/images/michael_jackson_on_the_run.jpg
hes on the run boys watch out

[James]

I had to read over what you said about ten times before I could understand what the hell it was. Seriously, learn how to spell.

I don't even need to reply to that because It doesn't even make sense. If you would like to argue about something, pass the third grade first.

[Rock Solid]

ill tell you why its wrong its wrong bacause it never was ment to its plane and simple the onley reson guys would like eatch other is 1. cuz they cant get girls 2.for attantion and 3. if they have "issues'

being gay is nothing to be proud of and never should of heppend and its an embarisment to the world

also if you havent notaced all fags act the same they talk like chicks, have high voices, and act "odd"

for example:
http://dirkie.nu/images/michael_jackson_on_the_run.jpg
hes on the run boys watch out

I agree. totally...except for the spelling issues.
and it is true that guys find lesbians to be hot but gay guys just give me the creeps. at least lesbians don't stick it up their butt hopefully. and God this subject needs to end. but of course it won't because this is one of those argueable topics.

[James]

I agree. totally...except for the spelling issues.
and it is true that guys find lesbians to be hot but gay guys just give me the creeps. at least lesbians don't stick it up their butt hopefully. and God this subject needs to end. but of course it won't because this is one of those argueable topics.
Obviously you don't watch porn. :lol:

[borge6]

I had to read over what you said about ten times before I could understand what the hell it was. Seriously, learn how to spell.

I don't even need to reply to that because It doesn't even make sense. If you would like to argue about something, pass the third grade first.

you just cant respond can ya cant think of any thing?
and yea my spelling is bad i used bad spelling 3 years ago and it stuck with me

[James]

Once an idiot, always an idiot.

[borge6]

Once an idiot, always an idiot.
yea i know how you feel ;)

[James]

Sorry, but I don't feel like a fag. You're on your own.

[borge6]

i didnt mean it that way...

[James]

I'm pretty much done posting in this topic and the other one. So, don't respond to my posts please.

[carmel&carmelita]

I really don't care about gay marriage because who ever whats to be gay and what to get marriage.I am no one to tell them to not get marriage if they are in love what can you do.Go head and hate them if that helps to change gay marriage.

[KrypticInsanity]

I'm all for it, heck love is love and marriage should be about that not polotics. Becides in the constitution it says that ALL americans have the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happyness it doesn't say "But only if the marraige that will make you happy is to someone of the opposite gender"

[LegendGenesis]

I don't see why the government's even getting involved in this issue. It's not a legal or political issue, but a religious issue. And the thing with religious issues, the government always says, constitutionally, they have no right to interfere with them. Yet they always get put in the middle of them, abortion, along with this, being chief examples.

[Timo]

I'm wondering if I should bring this thread back or not. Considering the fact that most of it was either people exclaiming their hatred towards gays, how much they don't care if they get married, or whether or not gays are going to burn in Hell, I just feel as though the intended discussion was ever actually processed.

Read the title people:
Gay Marriage!

Suka created this topic to open the discussion of whether or not gay people should have the right to marry. It's not so you can tell everyone you think gays should burn in hell. It's not so that you can tell people about two girls making out. It's not so that you can tell people you feel as though gays are recieving the same treatment as blacks or Jews (not personally attacking anyone, just using examples). I can understand if one gets slightly off topic, but this thread has been off topic since the first page.

Anyways, as you can tell I'm going to try and bring this thread back for the purpose it was originally created for. As an opinion, I personally believe that gay marriage should not be allowed. Marriage is a religious celebration of love between a man and a woman. Although I have nothing against a man loving a man or a woman loving a woman (I myself am bisexual), I feel as though marriage is not intended for two people of the same sex.

Marriage was originally founded on the belief that a man would love a woman the rest of his life and vice versa. In this love, they would attempt to procreate and raise the child to the best of their ability, so that the child could continue the cycle. Though I know it's rather simple (and that there are more pieces to it), this is the basis of marriage. Two men or two women cannot do this. It is physically impossible.