Abortion

[Loveless Slave]

I dunno if I spelled it right but... would you allow abortion? I wouldn't. That's like killing a human being man!

[Hellspire]

Yes you spelled it correctly. On this issue, I would like to clarify a few things. We take reports heavily sanctioned by prolife sponsers spewed out and distorted by prolife interest groups and power figureheads like Bush and the like here in America a lot. I really liked the late Pope John Paul IIs' phrasing when he commented on this issue. I wish I could remember it offhand. Note however, that while I sympathize with these people and I even admire a few of their current and former petitioners sentiments, I do believe that this issue is largely diluded.

If a potential mother wants to eject the fetus before the 2nd trimester which is basically considered the starting point of the development then she has a right to do so. A person (who I don't remember his/her name stated that (once again I paraphrase because of my poor memory) "when [amongst the many] authorities in this field cannot arrive at a unanimous decision as to when life begins in a fetus... we should not assume anything." I am terribly sorry I cannot remember these quotes.

The second paraphrase however, gives one pause. If we cannot determined where life begins in a fetus, do we not have an obligation to protect the potential of life? Yes. When such time comes as the medical field arrives at a conclusive period, can we then authorize abortion universally? Yes. The reason for this is simple. If we know when life begins, then our mandate to protect the potential of life is no longer justified. We only protect this potentiality because we are unsure. However, once we are sure, then we can, with confidence authorize abortions without fear.

Therefore, let us authorize abortions when such time arrives as that we have that answer. Before it however, we can only do so much as to develop contraceptives to prevent us from having to face this quandry.

This is a tough issue to be sure. The reason why it is so, is because we confuse our mandate to protect the potential of life as the mandate to secure life even if possibly there is none. I will say something else that will rapt your attention, but first I want to see how people react to my argument.

[xBellax]

I think it depends highly on the cirumstances. I mean, if there is a women who goes around having unsafe sex and keeps getting pregnant than she shouldnt be allowed to have one as she could try to prevent it. But what about a young girl, perhaps in high school, and is raped? She had no say in the matter and having the child could ruin her reputation and way of life. Also, if doctors find that the child has a defect that may affect its quality of living perhaps abortion should be considered.

[Loveless Slave]

Oh, well yeah. I understand if a woman gets raped and gets pregnant than that would be a reason why to use it. It's just sad. >.<

[Hellspire]

Awww, DMG, you took my second argument away. Sigh... good work though. Any comments on either of these arguments?

[xBellax]

Sorry Hellspire...ive been debating this and the Gay marriage issue for a long time...im very vocal in debates. But you have great points Hellspire.

[Hellspire]

Sorry Hellspire...ive been debating this and the Gay marriage issue for a long time...im very vocal in debates. But you have great points Hellspire.


Thank you; I have written quite a number of letters or papers on these issues for my classes, and spoken about these issues a few times. Besides, I guess because I am free from the restraint from religion and other bias that I look at things very objectively.

[xBellax]

Same here..besides my mom,grandma, and sister are very vocal about issues such as these.

[Hellspire]

I wish some people would comment on this before I lose the desire to write out those long structured arguments :poketoung

[Swift]

Even when we discover the time when a fetus's life begins, i would say no. I highly doubt this will ever be exact, and judging by much of the govt's conspiracies i dont think they will ever release the exact conclusion, but rather something that benefits them.

[Akira Raine]

OK I'm pro choice for abortion. Cuz it really does depend on the situation, like a girl getting raped. I was going to point that out too. But I think the person should be able to pick. Even if it wasn't a girl that was raped or anything. Say a girl went around having unprotected sex and she was a druggie and she drank a lot. Well if she wanted an abortion I would let her get one, because the child would jsut grow up in misery if it lived and it wouldn't have a good life. I know you could always send your baby to an adoption center, but even still, children for adoption get scared that way too, because they want to know who their real mom is and stuff. And they get misery by finding out that their parents have lied to them all these years and that they weren't even the childs real parents. Plus I wouldn't want to grow up in an adoption center. Those things screw up a persons life.

And I say you can only get an abortion though, when the baby is in like it's first stage and does not have any of it's organs or anything. I mean like if it doesn't have a brain or a heart or anything. I forgot what that stage was called. But that's the stage a baby should be killed not any other time. Really though, if you look at it, it's not really that big of a deal. We do that kind of stuff all the time. In all the eggs you eat, that was going to be a chicken but we killed it anyway, cuz it wasn't a living thing yet, it was just in the first stage which isn't really close to life. It's the begining and that chicken doesn't eat or think or anything so it would never know it would be killed. So it's the same tihng with a baby.

And I hate to be mean or anything, but I don't see why not. Plus, we also have a LOT of people in the world, what's one more going to matter? I'm sorry I know it sounds horrible. But like really, people die every day and no one makes a big deal about that any more. And the thing is the thing really isn't alive. It isn't breathing it isn't eating or sleeping. So I don't see what the big deal is. I mean though, if you can you should so do it, but I mean under certain circumstances I think they should have a choice. The only bad thing about it is that that baby could've had a future. But it probably wouldn't be a good future so what's the point?

[Swift]

People dont care that people are dieing anymore? Are you fucking kidding me? Watch the news.

They don't have to grow up miserably, there are places where people can leave their children(hospitals).

[Akira Raine]

Still, would you want to live in a hospital. And what i mean swift, is that people are dying every day, and what I mean is that it doesn't really affect anyone anymore. WEll, it's going to like affect the family and friends and stuff, but yes you see it on the news. Do you ever cry or anything. The next day you jsut shrug it off that's what I'm saying, the news reports it for money that's what they do. Oh and btw I don't watch the news :tongue: It seems to boring for me lol. Plus the news makes everything way worse then it is.

[SuKa]

Pro-choice. Right here. I don't think that getting an abortion would depend on the situation. I mean, if two people have sex, and the girl ends up getting pregnant and doesn't want the baby, she should have the right to choose. If you didn't think you were ready for a kid, would you want to bring it into a world where you couldn't take care of it? Would you want that? To have a child grow up in misery? I don't think so. There's adoption homes and crap like that out there, but you can never guarentee that the child will be happy. I would think they'd rather be in the arms of their true parents, no? That's what I would want. This, of course, leads right back to the start, where it was stupid for them to have sex and make a child in the first place. *Sigh* This can get so complicated.

Plus, we also have a LOT of people in the world, what's one more going to matter?

Yes yes yes yes, and yes. THANK YOU! I've debated about this on so many other forums, and so far, Akira is the only one who thinks like this. I love you.

*Ahem*

<3 SuKa

[Hellspire]

*I don't remember, nor am I willing to weed through my former responses so I will say it again if so...

Concerning the right to choose whether or not they want the baby has conflicts in case scenarios where the father wants but the mother does not. Then you can say that the mother always has the choice because it is "her" child that she is carrying. Gets pretty complicated because she couldn't do it without sperm from a male so thus the male also has a right regardless if he or she carries it (see the movie, Junior?).

Concerning death, yes that's right. I will offer one side-note to you... if prolife advocates could prevent death, and make it wrong for people to die. Hypothetically speaking, they would!

[Loveless Slave]

Actually, I think I am totally against it. It's I guess chance. You need to give the baby a chance even if you didn't want it in the first place. Hell, if you don't want it just give it to some Orphanage. I hate killing... but I also hate suffering.

The fact that the woman is suffering for a baby she didn't want in the first place was truly meaningful. You know the saying, "everything happens for a reason?" Was having an unwanted baby... meant to happen?

[Hellspire]

I see your point, however religion is often used as a scapegoat or an explanation for things when they have no stronger argument. All of your other things have been said and debated already, but people are welcome to respond in due kind if the wish.

[Mystic-Spirit]

I think it depends highly on the cirumstances. I mean, if there is a women who goes around having unsafe sex and keeps getting pregnant than she shouldnt be allowed to have one as she could try to prevent it. But what about a young girl, perhaps in high school, and is raped? She had no say in the matter and having the child could ruin her reputation and way of life. Also, if doctors find that the child has a defect that may affect its quality of living perhaps abortion should be considered.

Like Dmg put for what i was about to say there is a good reason and a bad reason for it:

good reason:if a girl gets raped she shouldn't have to carry the berden of a child because the child will always have questions like whos my father?etc.

Bad reason-If you're having sex and just having it to get popular or even protected is not 100% chance of not getting pregnant abortion is a bad reason in this situation because if you make that choice you should be manly enough to except the price for your action and not take the cowardly way out by trying to just get rid of the baby because its just as bad as killing a life or worst for killing one of your own..

like i said theres a good reason for it and a bad reason..

[Deception]

I'm going to say this much and then I'm going to shut up because if I say anything more about it, I'm gonna get pissed to the point that I'll most likely get banned.

Both sides of the debate on weither abortions are morally wrong or not is more or less drawn by wiether you are religous or not. Christians tend to see it as taking a life. Yet at the same time, these very same people will shoot a horse if it breaks a leg.

Leading to my point. If a child cannot be raised properly, it shouldn't be raised at all. I don't give a f*ck what mistakes the mother made and I don't give a f*ck what the closed-minded right-wing Christian morons like Bush think. Between humanity's ever growing population and the increasingly icky affairs of the world, if a child cannot be raised properly, it should be given the same kind of mercy that they would give a horse. And if you don't believe me, take a look at the MAJORITY of the well-known serial killers and rapists and study about their childhoods. And while I'm not saying that every child that ends up with a icky childhood will end up being of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List, I am saying that at the very least, you can take the dead fetus and CURE A ****ING DESEASE WITH IT! If the mother doesn't feel that she can raise the child (or knows it) she shouldn't have to be forced to have the child. Furthermore, if insurance doesn't cover abortions, it ****ing well should. And while I do agree that abortions shouldn't be used as an excuse to **** around, I believe that the mother should ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE!



WARNING! THE NEXT LINE IS NOT FOR THE IMMATURE!

I wonder how many potential lives I am killing by wacking off. Yet I don't see any anybody trying to outlaw that.
-Direct quote from my friend on another board and it's my opinion on the matter to

[Mystic-Spirit]

im not trying to get into an argument but why would a mother that is having problems want to have sex if she knows it may create another problem that she can't deal with?thats the thing there is a choice no one is putting a gun to your head telling you to have sex.the only Right way to make sure you dont get a disease or a baby right now is prevention.and No way im not a bush lover nor a christian(even though roman catholic and christianity are very similar on the long lines of religion.)im done forsaken plz dont bite my head off.

[Nori]

Christians tend to see it as taking a life. Yet at the same time, these very same people will shoot a horse if it breaks a leg.
How can you even compare a human life with a horse. Fuck horses who gives a crap about them, how can they possible help the world or not help it. A human life is millions of times more valued than a horse.

I won't even comment on some of the other things you said.

[James]

I swear, this forum is filled with some of the dumbest people on the earth. First of all, I agree 100% with forsaken because he is right.

How can you even compare a human life with a horse. Fuck horses who gives a crap about them, how can they possible help the world or not help it. A human life is millions of times more valued than a horse.

I won't even comment on some of the other things you said.
Because its a fucking living thing. It should have every right as every other living thing on this planet.

im not trying to get into an argument but why would a mother that is having problems want to have sex if she knows it may create another problem that she can't deal with?thats the thing there is a choice no one is putting a gun to your head telling you to have sex.the only Right way to make sure you dont get a disease or a baby right now is prevention.and No way im not a bush lover nor a christian(even though roman catholic and christianity are very similar on the long lines of religion.)im done forsaken plz dont bite my head off.
Do you know that over half of the people who have children, when they had them they weren't expecting to have them? People have sex because they wan't to, its fun, and feels good.

[Mystic-Spirit]

yes and they get caught up in the sensation so they forget all cons of sex and they find out there positive in pregnancy,like i said the only reason to not have a baby is prevention.

[Nori]

Because its a fucking living thing. It should have every right as every other living thing on this planet.

Its a "fucking living thing" yet it has no value or no real use compared to a human. And please dont post your bullshit about "I swear, this forum is filled with some of the dumbest people on the earth." Cause that is stupid bullshit.

EDIT: I don't even know why I'm still posting in this thread. There is no point in trying to convince people not willing to take any type of thought towards what someone else says. You mind set is...MY OPINION IS RIGHT AND NOTHING ANYONE SAYS MATTERS NOR WILL IT CHANGE IT. So nevermind anything I said since i'm according to James one of the dumbest people on earth because I dont agree with his and Forsakesn fucked up towards life opinion.

[James]

Rofl. Wasn't necessarily saying you were the dumbest person on this forum, and no its not bullshit. It's very true.

By the way, you're going to go to hell for saying that about horses. Its gods living creature, just like you, it has every right for life that you do.
If you cut it, it bleeds. If you hit it, it gets hurt. It also probably understands what you say when you talk to it. To say "Fuck animals they're worse less then we are" is horrible to say, showing your an asshole. I would just out of my own heart take a bullet to save a horse.

[Swift]

Actually, God has no room for animals in Heaven, so takes that argument away. And it's a fucking animal, moreover, a very useless animal. Animals are here only to benefit us(for the most part), accroding to the bible, and their only purpose is that, they have no spirit. Very rarely do animals remember shit, with a few exceptions(horses, chimps, dolphins).

I'm all against abortion.

[Swift]

Also, bringing up the matter of death...

WTF you fucking morons. I swear anyone who said "one more isn't going to hurt anybody" deserves to be that "one more." Take that same idea, and instead of the "one more" being some random person, make it be your mother, father, or yourself. Fucking moron's, as of this moment, i hope you guys die(even you Hellspire).

As for the argument saying you don't want your child to live a bad life, who are you to make that choice? I guarantee you that if any baby is born, that by the time he/she can talk and think, it till prefer a horrible life over death. A bad start does not mean a bad life, everyone has a chance at happiness.

[James]

Actually, God has no room for animals in Heaven, so takes that argument away. And it's a fucking animal, moreover, a very useless animal. Animals are here only to benefit us(for the most part), accroding to the bible, and their only purpose is that, they have no spirit. Very rarely do animals remember shit, with a few exceptions(horses, chimps, dolphins).

I'm all against abortion.
Alot of animals remember shit. Fuck you.

I'm all for abortion.

[Swift]

Leading to my point. If a child cannot be raised properly, it shouldn't be raised at all. I don't give a f*ck what mistakes the mother made and I don't give a f*ck what the closed-minded right-wing Christian morons like Bush think. Between humanity's ever growing population and the increasingly icky affairs of the world, if a child cannot be raised properly, it should be given the same kind of mercy that they would give a horse. And if you don't believe me, take a look at the MAJORITY of the well-known serial killers and rapists and study about their childhoods. And while I'm not saying that every child that ends up with a icky childhood will end up being of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List, I am saying that at the very least, you can take the dead fetus and CURE A ****ING DESEASE WITH IT! If the mother doesn't feel that she can raise the child (or knows it) she shouldn't have to be forced to have the child. Furthermore, if insurance doesn't cover abortions, it ****ing well should. And while I do agree that abortions shouldn't be used as an excuse to **** around, I believe that the mother should ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE!


Why can't your mother kill you now? it's the same thing.

The mother can always leave the child at the hospital.

Just because they have a bad childhood does not mean they will end up as criminals, this is a stupid statement. While many serial killers may have had bad childhoods, you cannot pass this statistic as evidence, it's a stupid statistic. Now for a good statistic, how many kids with bad histories are serious criminals? Your statistic is baded on criminals, this one would actually be based on bad childhoods.

The horse example, well you're assuming killing horses is the right thing to do. While I do think it's nothing more than an animal, I definitely don't agree with killing it. And it's a stupid example, because without a functioning leg, a horse can do NOTHING. However, a human, despite bad parenting can still live to do great things.

Moreover, I recommend you do not label anyone who opposes abortion as "closed-minded right-wing Christian morons." You fucking moron. You're assuming at religion is the only element deciding our minds, you're confusing religion with morality. And fuck man, Bush isn't a good example of a good christian.

Go fuck yourself, you have no right to start insulting christians because you're too fucking ignorant to to think before you type.

[Nori]

Because its a fucking living thing. It should have every right as every other living thing on this planet.

Back to what you just said in the quote above...

James are you a vegetarian? If you aren't then you contradict yourself. Since an animal is a living thing, you shouldn't be eating it. How many people do you know eat anything from humans. I'm doubting anyone you know does or anyone they know, or anyone that communicates with them. Why is this..because a human life is valued especially over an animal such as a horse or anything else.

Lets say a person runs over an animal in there car, lets say a raccoon. If that racoon gets run over, unless it totally damages the car you are driving (which I doubt) most people won't call the cops or even stop. But if someone hits a human they will stop and probably call the police. Because once again a human life is valued over an animal.

Now since you don't kill people and eat them why should they be killed at all before birth. Do you consider the fetus as a life or do you think it's just something that there but when the baby is actually born its an actual life. They should not be killed over stupidity because of someone having sex underage or just because it was an "accident" (which is another issue I won't speak on...now).

Anyway other people comment. They should be interesting...

[Stevil]

Lets say a person runs over an animal in there car, lets say a raccoon. If that deer gets run over, unless it totally damages that car most people won't call the cops. But if someone hits a human they will stop and probably call the police. Because once again a human life is valued over an animal.

Now I'm confused...
Is it a raccoon or a deer?
I'm going to say this much and then I'm going to shut up because if I say anything more about it, I'm gonna get pissed to the point that I'll most likely get banned.

Both sides of the debate on weither abortions are morally wrong or not is more or less drawn by wiether you are religous or not. Christians tend to see it as taking a life. Yet at the same time, these very same people will shoot a horse if it breaks a leg.

Leading to my point. If a child cannot be raised properly, it shouldn't be raised at all. I don't give a f*ck what mistakes the mother made and I don't give a f*ck what the closed-minded right-wing Christian morons like Bush think. Between humanity's ever growing population and the increasingly icky affairs of the world, if a child cannot be raised properly, it should be given the same kind of mercy that they would give a horse. And if you don't believe me, take a look at the MAJORITY of the well-known serial killers and rapists and study about their childhoods. And while I'm not saying that every child that ends up with a icky childhood will end up being of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List, I am saying that at the very least, you can take the dead fetus and CURE A ****ING DESEASE WITH IT! If the mother doesn't feel that she can raise the child (or knows it) she shouldn't have to be forced to have the child. Furthermore, if insurance doesn't cover abortions, it ****ing well should. And while I do agree that abortions shouldn't be used as an excuse to **** around, I believe that the mother should ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE!



WARNING! THE NEXT LINE IS NOT FOR THE IMMATURE!

I wonder how many potential lives I am killing by wacking off. Yet I don't see any anybody trying to outlaw that.
-Direct quote from my friend on another board and it's my opinion on the matter to

Don't take affence to this, as I have nothing against you personally, and if this offends you, I would like to keep it to this thread and stay friends outside of it.
With that said:
Imbecile! Sperm isn't human yet. A fully developed fetus is a person! Jerking off isn't killing someone, as it neither has a brain, nor nerve cells yet. It's just sperm. However, a fetus at at least 9 months (possibly even before that) is a fully developed human. To abort it is no better then poisening a new born baby. Oh, so 12 inches down the birth canal make a big difference? Of course not. It's still a life. If your mother cant raise you right, then why the fuck did she fuck some dude and let him fucking cum inside her? Or take the risk of letting the condom break? No matter what, if you screw someone, you should be prepared to have a baby. If you know you're not going to make a good mom, then find other ways of pleasuring yourself (eg, alchohol, cigarettes, weed (which I support), ice cream, etc).
1 more thing. Bush is a poor excuse of a christian. I know some freakin' cool christians, and Bush gives them a bad name. He's just an idiot, and I don't like him very much. I myself aren't very religious, but I'm not going to argue with their beliefs. Bush is still a retard though.

To dmg, if you get pregnant from rape, you should put the baby up for adoption. I dont think there's a way of aborting it within the first few months of development, so really you're probably going to have to cary it anyways. So have it and put it up for adoption.

To akira, if some skank is havin' drunk unprotected sex, she deserves the responcibility of having a baby. Who knows, maybe it'll help her out in life a little.

With all that said, I do support abortion for 2 reasons.
1. Overpopulation of the world is being drawn to my attention.
2. I also support killing babys.

[Nori]

Lmao at first I had deer and then I changed it. Forgot to on the second sentence.

[James]

Vegetarian? Yes.
Eat humans? cannibals.
People who hit animals often do actually do something. If you ran over (exposing guts etc) of a human, would you move it off the road? I know you wouldnt.

[Swift]

O thanks Stevil, you're a genius, I love your arguments =).


I wonder how many potential lives I am killing by wacking off. Yet I don't see any anybody trying to outlaw that.
-Direct quote from my friend on another board and it's my opinion on the matter to


OMFG! You're such a retard, pay attention in school and you might learn something. Sperm is not alive, moron, sperm alone is not life until it enters the woman's egg. Sperm has no organs that can support it's life, it doesn't have the cromosomes necessary to live, all it is a set of the male's chromosomes. Sigh you're such a fucking idiot. Just stick to wacking off, and don't think about it, you might make yourself look stupid(o shit, too late).


Vegetarian? Yes.
Eat humans? cannibals.
People who hit animals often do actually do something. If you ran over (exposing guts etc) of a human, would you move it off the road? I know you wouldnt.


As of this moment, I am understanding you don't support the death of animals but you do support killing babys?

[Aco]

The correct answer to this question is that no one gives a %@$@!!!

[borge6]

We dont need to kill kids inside people. jk jk We need to kill the babys hell yea i want that job. It must be fun. yea we shouldent have it the mother should just be killed saves the tax payers money. (what the hell am i talking about???)

[Nori]

We dont need to kill kids inside people. jk jk We need to kill the babys hell yea i want that job. It must be fun. yea we shouldent have it the mother should just be killed saves the tax payers money. (what the hell am i talking about???)

Really what in hell are you talking about. That was a useless and stupid post.

[James]

As of this moment, I am understanding you don't support the death of animals but you do support killing babys?Yes. Babies ruin lives.

[Mystic-Spirit]

Yes. Babies ruin lives.

that is not true and how did you come out i guess when you came out you knew manners,how to eat right,how to potty train,how to ride a bike,and other things?..ofcourse you dont its not that they ruin lives its that they cannot learn these things on there own.

[James]

I'm trying to resist flaming the shit out of you right now, so here is my reply.

Go have a baby, then tell me your life wasn't hell.

[Mystic-Spirit]

yes but what im saying is that its not there fault you have to know that when they are born they know NOTHING meaning if they want something they are not going to say"get me that"they will show that reaction as crying..im not dumb i know what im talking about.

[borge6]

Ok sry about last time i had a bit to mutch suger anyway what i ment to say is that i should be legel. Its still a life same a as murder (sorta). Thats were i disagree it isent murder its a known fact it isent considerd life untill coming out of the womb....i like that word womb...there i go with the suger again.

:) = baby
:guns: = killing
so :) + :guns: = good
so go out and kill a baby today :sweat:

[Mystic-Spirit]

tell me was that sugar accidently cocaine cause you sound worst.

[borge6]

nope pretty sure ti was wasent coke it was in a cube
any way yea i checked njeeds to be wout of the womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb womb

[James]

im not dumb i know what im talking about.lol :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Swift]

James- Actually most parents are happy they had a child in the long run.

No to NOT flame you. Imagine if no one had a baby and tell me how the human race lives on.

[borge6]

We Use Clones Bitch

[James]

First, borge is high.

And the world would be alot less populated and might actually be a better place if people stoped having kids.

[Swift]

Stopped having kids would be fine, killing them is a different thing. Besides, overpopulation is NOT an issue in the US. It's only a problem in underdeveloped countries.

[Stevil]

Second page -->Gah, reading your people's posts is making my brain hurt. Next time, use spellcheck and grammer-check. All of you. Sheesh.

Ok sry about last time i had a bit to mutch suger anyway what i ment to say is that i should be legel. Its still a life same a as murder (sorta). Thats were i disagree it isent murder its a known fact it isent considerd life untill coming out of the womb....i like that word womb...there i go with the suger again.


Borge, you're telling me that a fetus isn't alive? Even though it's heart is beating, it eats food, and breathes oxygen, it's not alive because it's in someones stomach? Well, if that's the case, then ima go kill someone, rip out their intestines, and crawl into their stomach so I can tell people I'm legally dead.


James, if you support the killing of babies so much, then go kill yourself, as you're obviously one of the ones the doctors missed.


Swift, I back you up 100%

~1~

[borge6]

the goverment law states that if its not out of the womb its not alive be angery at the goverment not me :guns:

[Nori]

Where the hell did you find that out?
At iloveabortingbabies.org...That's total bullshit.

[borge6]

its true herd it in a magizine it looked lieka new paper i am lso found out he was a whomean for 20 years in it odd huh

[Swift]

Fuck Borge, spell correctly you retard.

Law does not state what is life and what is not, you illiterate idiot.

[Stevil]

the goverment law states that if its not out of the womb its not alive be angery at the goverment not me :guns:

Hah! It also states that humans aren't considered to be people untill they turn 18, and not completely people untill they're 21. On top of that, you're still a child until you're 16.

The government can bite me. They only say that shit because they're making cash off of abortion, and because they don't want to piss off the people who support it. The "fetuses" havn't learned english yet, so they can't say anything against abortion, and the few people who are against it are looked down upon and thrown into the same categories as the homophobics and the racists.

Fetuses are INDEED alive. Anyone with any common sence at all can figure that out. 10 inches down the birth canal and the few hours it takes to push the fetus out makes it a baby? What the fuck was it before it came out of the womb? It's the same creatures, only now it's not in someone's stomach.

Give it up, borge, you're a retard.

[Mystic-Spirit]

the goverment law states that if its not out of the womb its not alive be angery at the goverment not me :guns:

the government speaks sh!t they lied about the pentagon attack it wasn't a boeing 757 that crashed into the pentagon and i have prove

what i am about to show is pure facts no phony shit:
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main

[Stevil]

Nice find!

[Deception]

Now I'm confused...
Is it a raccoon or a deer?


Don't take affence to this, as I have nothing against you personally, and if this offends you, I would like to keep it to this thread and stay friends outside of it.
With that said:
Imbecile! Sperm isn't human yet. A fully developed fetus is a person! Jerking off isn't killing someone, as it neither has a brain, nor nerve cells yet. It's just sperm. However, a fetus at at least 9 months (possibly even before that) is a fully developed human. To abort it is no better then poisening a new born baby. Oh, so 12 inches down the birth canal make a big difference? Of course not. It's still a life. If your mother cant raise you right, then why the fuck did she fuck some dude and let him fucking cum inside her? Or take the risk of letting the condom break? No matter what, if you screw someone, you should be prepared to have a baby. If you know you're not going to make a good mom, then find other ways of pleasuring yourself (eg, alchohol, cigarettes, weed (which I support), ice cream, etc).
1 more thing. Bush is a poor excuse of a christian. I know some freakin' cool christians, and Bush gives them a bad name. He's just an idiot, and I don't like him very much. I myself aren't very religious, but I'm not going to argue with their beliefs. Bush is still a retard though.

To dmg, if you get pregnant from rape, you should put the baby up for adoption. I dont think there's a way of aborting it within the first few months of development, so really you're probably going to have to cary it anyways. So have it and put it up for adoption.

To akira, if some skank is havin' drunk unprotected sex, she deserves the responcibility of having a baby. Who knows, maybe it'll help her out in life a little.

With all that said, I do support abortion for 2 reasons.
1. Overpopulation of the world is being drawn to my attention.
2. I also support killing babys.


I have no beef with you Stevil, it's something my friend posted and I actually feel that way towards it.

[Stevil]

I have no beef with you Stevil, it's something my friend posted and I actually feel that way towards it.

Aight, cool. ^_^

[Swift]

I have no beef with you Stevil, it's something my friend posted and I actually feel that way towards it.


Sigh, I'll try to not bash you anymore for your ignorant ways of thought. Ignorance is bliss.

[carmel&carmelita]

Half of me beleives that girl should have the choice to Abortion but the other say no beleive because the child doesn't have that choice.

[KrypticInsanity]

I'm completely 200% pro choice though I would never do it myself. No one has any right to tell anyone what to do with their own body. Though I don't think it should be used as a method of birth control as it has been either.

[Darksage]

I'm completely 200% pro choice though I would never do it myself. No one has any right to tell anyone what to do with their own body. Though I don't think it should be used as a method of birth control as it has been either.
I'm with you on this too.

[KrypticInsanity]

wow, someone actually agrees with me... *is in shock now* that never happens... (heh I tend to be rather opinionated and very vocal about them...not a good way to make friends usually lol)

[Hellspire]

but the other say no beleive because the child doesn't have that choice.
I think people (not yourself in any respect carmel) tend to give far too much credit to a baby. We humans are nothing more than creatures who are born, live, and die; we develop in a human body, and eventually have our own subconcious and develop our own individuality. Nevertheless, many miss the point that while in that stage, it is only a woman GROWING a human, and anyone who says that that human MUST come to fore is putting their own standards ahead of themselves. "This human will eventually grow up and pay taxes, get married, and have even more children propogating the race." Naturally religion, polotics, ignorance, or morality, plays a part in this that basically mucks up the whole situation into this big L v R struggle.

[Darksage]

How true, but this also deals with the moral implication that it's alright for a mother to kill her unborn child without punishment, but killers who kill other people get punished.

[KrypticInsanity]

except for the government in areas that allow the death penalty but that's a completely different subject sorry...

[Hellspire]

Ah but you see.... the child inside is an attachment of her body, that eventually buds off and comes out. While it is still an attachment it is technically still part of the mother, and thus her right to do whatever with it.

[LegendGenesis]

Ah but you see.... the child inside is an attachment of her body, that eventually buds off and comes out. While it is still an attachment it is technically still part of the mother, and thus her right to do whatever with it.

There's something unusual: an abortion argument I have never, ever heard before.

[Hellspire]

Well I don't agree with that agrument 100%. There are far too many issues, because if the child is like 1-2 months before coming out, it is obviously 80-95% organized as a human. In that case, an abortion would DEFINATELY be considered murder if the child was not dying or something to that extent and the mother was in jepordy. I simply was offering the vaguest of arguments.