Darksage Blog #1: Growing out of anime?

[Darksage]

I used to be really into anime (not so much manga) a couple of years ago. I remember watching series like Inuyasha, Ghost in the Shell, Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, Yugioh, and really enjoying them. I have Inuyasha all on DVD and the first season of Yugioh on DVD (though I videotaped most of the episodes myself). Then I'm not really sure what happened. I suppose I was attached to those particular anime and not anime in general, and once I finished with them (specifically Inuyasha, Yugioh, and Dragon Ball Z), I didn't get into many new series. Thinking back, I'm not really sure what the reason was.

I know that when people talk about anime (specifically when differentiating it from cartoons) they claim that while cartoons are for children, anime is for everyone. But I think what happened with me is the opposite. I grew out of anime. It was a phase and now it's over. I have thought about getting back into it and even tried to by downloading some episodes of Kara no Kyoukai, Allison & Lillia, and others but the spark just isn't there.

What do you think? Do you think you will grow out of anime one day?

[byakugan]

we used to have a thread like this...but it is a question i have been dealing with...i used to love anime and i still do, I am a collector at heart and will always be...i want to possess everything including episodes. I originally started out working in a US comic shop collecting and selling rare comics and old comics in the shop and on ebay and that shifted into anime. I aggressively pursued anime for a number of years and still do, but my tastes have changed..i now enjoy the champloos/mushishi/bebop/laggan/ghost hound series that are unique and independent...I have come back full circle to manga and comics now and i am agreesively pursuing those again...i never watch naruto or bleach but i read the manga

[HarunaH]

I've grown out of anime...

Because i don't have that much time left. It only makes me able to read a manga chapter or 2 and then the next lessons starts. Homework is also a factor in me growing out of anime. I only make time to watch selected anime. made a schedule of which anime i want to see and need to see (lol)

[Sedrinx]

I have been pondering that question since I started watch anime 5 yrs ago, I knew sooner or later I might get "tired"/"bored" of it. But hey change happens so if it unknowingly happen to me, so deal with it, like u mentioned it could be just a phase for some people or it can be an enjoyable pastime for others

[Ereos]

I believe everyone will grow out of anime
sooner or later something new will peak your interest
especially with the anime industry going now.... it not being original, unique and neither hittin on their fans at the right peak of interest.

like i can imagine some people who watched nothing but anime suddenly lessen the number of anime watching or suddenly drop animes they were watching i done it a few times myself

on the other hand eventually you might go into it again
it be like a phase of just not watching anime then it hits back at you

[ShdwFlash]

I believe everyone will grow out of anime
sooner or later something new will peak your interest
especially with the anime industry going now.... it not being original, unique and neither hittin on their fans at the right peak of interest.

I don't think that I will ever grow out of anime. I watch anime as a means to unwind from a stressful day - and my days are pretty stressful! - so I am pretty sure I won't stop anytime soon. (:])

Also, I disagree with it being not as original as it once was. I always find something new and interesting to watch. I mean, how many anime series are there in this world? I'm pretty sure that no one can watch everything in their lifetime. So for me, it is like an adventure too.

I've been watching anime for 7 years and I'll still be watching it in 7 years time.

[stenkohl]

As I already stated last time, I believe that I will grow out of anime. I don't have the time I used to and somehow I am starting to lose interest in it. However, this might still change as right now my interest in manga is impossible to kill, so in a way I'm still "in the game".

[Sithreis]

I've grown out of anime...

Because i don't have that much time left. It only makes me able to read a manga chapter or 2 and then the next lessons starts. Homework is also a factor in me growing out of anime. I only make time to watch selected anime. made a schedule of which anime i want to see and need to see (lol)

Thats not growing out of it. It just sounds like you unwillingly or maybe against comfort cannot find the time to actually watch or read anything. Doesn't that mean that you want to and can't at the moment?

@post I always thought that to grow out of something, it would take a sort of revalation for one's self to realize that as they are now they don't need something, not that their life just gets more busy =/

A lot of business people are too busy to have a normal sex life...doesn't really mean they grew out of it.

In the end, until you can go a week without associating anything in the otaku community with yourself, you won't be able to leave (lol)

[jonaht]

hmm~ it's hard to say. lol

well, it depends.

As for me, it will be hard in the near future. You can say it's my hobby and future job(?). lol

[Editor]

It started to me...no time to watch episodes.

[Exodi]

I don't think I will grow out of it.

Anime is the first thing I've really ever been into, so I'm sticking with it.

[Darksage]

I don't think I will grow out of it.

Anime is the first thing I've really ever been into, so I'm sticking with it.
But I could say the same about Yugioh. I used to be SO into Yugioh and everything Yugioh-related, but this Christmas my brother got me one of those trading card tins and I was almost repulsed, like, "wtf, Yugioh?"

[Ereos]

I don't think that I will ever grow out of anime. I watch anime as a means to unwind from a stressful day - and my days are pretty stressful! - so I am pretty sure I won't stop anytime soon. (:])

Also, I disagree with it being not as original as it once was. I always find something new and interesting to watch. I mean, how many anime series are there in this world? I'm pretty sure that no one can watch everything in their lifetime. So for me, it is like an adventure too.

I've been watching anime for 7 years and I'll still be watching it in 7 years time.

you dont think doesnt mean you wont....
7years ahead doesnt mean a lifetime now does it
as for new series
yeah sure alot now are getting very unique but then there still so many stolen features which makes a anime so typical and obvious...etc
and alot of fails

[DesTiNy]

Whew, first time posting here in almost a year, totally forgot about this place :P

It happened to me about a year ago, which is why I basically broke off the anime world. The series I was watching were getting stupider (Naruto, Bleach [which eventually got better] and Gurren Lagann's final episodes) and I got more connected to the gaming world. The series that I loved so much (Geass, Gundam Seed, etc.) were finally ending, so I basically went head-first into WoW and never came back (I even put away all of my cool-looking Gundam models!)

Till now

Found out a couplea days ago that the new 00 season had started so I started watching that, and it's turned out not-so-bad so far. Then I took a leap and started watching the new Code Geass season, and just finished it a couple minutes ago, and I totally loved it.

I was trying to decide whether I should come back to this anime world which I tried so hard to shut away for so many reasons (so many reasons dealing with my first few years in HS), but I think these two series have given me new hope. So, first step, I thought, was to post on OW! yay. I'm back from it :P (I even took out all of my Gundam models last night, and am planning on purchasing more now heh :D)

[Ereos]

yea ever since i got money i been purchasing more gundam or mech models

you might undergo phases of not watching anime.... still that still growing out of anime... but not entirely

[DesTiNy]

yea ever since i got money i been purchasing more gundam or mech models

you might undergo phases of not watching anime.... still that still growing out of anime... but not entirely

Same, I get fantasies of becoming an emo gundam pilot and getting all the anime ladies so I buy gundam models and play with them :P

I have quite a few: Zero Custom, God, Hi-Nu, Destiny, Zeta in Master Grade/ Strike Freedom, Infi Justice, Akatsuki, Destiny, Legend, Calamity, Saviour in High Grade

Thinking about purchasing Master Grade Musha, Strike Freedom, Infi Justice, and probably some 00 stuff. Maybe even Geass models will start flowing in

[Zenko]

Anime in highschool was the best but as you grow there is little or less time for anime and more time for real life responsibilities unless your life is ANIME then omg.. lucky you :D

[Void]

Anime FTW... it's not gonna happen to me anytime soon... or even ever happen at all... :D

[Sithreis]

But I could say the same about Yugioh. I used to be SO into Yugioh and everything Yugioh-related, but this Christmas my brother got me one of those trading card tins and I was almost repulsed, like, "wtf, Yugioh?"

Thats just because you got common copies, and nothing but rares.
Sssh its okay *pats back*

[Darksage]

Thats just because you got common copies, and nothing but rares.
Sssh its okay *pats back*

Isn't that a good thing? lol nub start proofreading

[lilphyscokid]

Eventually in the future I will probably stop watching as much anime as I am right now, due to the fact that more responsibility will be thrust upon me. But as a hobby I will never stop, as seeing there are lots of different types of anime you can never really grow tired of. So the answer will probably be no.

[Sithreis]

Isn't that a good thing? lol nub start proofreading

I said it right lol

All your commons were copies, and you didn't get any super, ultra rares...just all rares(lol). God, I thought I was a stickler for grammar etc etc etc.

[Darksage]

I said it right lol

All your commons were copies, and you didn't get any super, ultra rares...just all rares(lol). God, I thought I was a stickler for grammar etc etc etc.
The "rare" category is all-inclusive of super-, ultra-, etc rares,... don't try to salvage it.

Anyways I didn't even open the tin, I'm just gonna sell it.

[Sharingan]

How I miss the days of being young, Waking up 8 am to watch YU-GI-OH, rushing back from school to watch dragonball z.

there was never much anime in Uk networks but the odd ones did get their prime time! like dbz.

So yeh I kind of grew out of it a little but then naruto came along and ever since shippuden i've been watching naruto. It's amazing but not sure it did the magic that dbz did to us.

[Ereos]

i got the idea of what he was saying
couldnt you?

[Jun-Kun]

I don't think I'll grow out of Anime any time soon, or ever. It'll be a great way to pass time and relax, and it's also something about the illustrations that attract me.

[Zenko]

I don't think I'll grow out of Anime any time soon, or ever. It'll be a great way to pass time and relax, and it's also something about the illustrations that attract me.

same.

I never get bored of anime there is so much out there yet to be found.

[jonaht]

It started to me...no time to watch episodes.

Same here (recently).... kinda hard to maintain the both side of my worlds. >.,

[zenioth]

Don't have much time recently. Lots of assignment keep coming. I'm not watching anime for almost a month now, a record for me. And i hate to rewatch anime if the ep more than 12 :P
But i won't stop from liking anime, it is my only hobby.

[Oblivious]

Looking back at the past, I can tell that I've been less interested in anime. I mean, it used to take up my whole schedule for the day, but now I've got time for Facebook, Myspace, Maplestory, and some friend time.

[Void]

Do yourself a favor and leave the Facebook sect... ull save time and stop the exponential drop rate of your IQ... (-.-)

The thing the non-MMORPG people haven't noticed yet is that Facebook has created a new type of Nolifes... the ones that think they are socially active just bcoz they chat and comment photos on the net, but in reality they do even less stuff and chat even less then people playing MMOS...

All in all, its better to spend ur time watching anime then hanging out on that brainwashing site... (no)

But i won't stop from liking anime, it is my only hobby.

(up)... I now understand why ur my friends list ! :D

[Darksage]

...and what's wrong with facebook?

[NiennaAncalime]

I myself don't think that I will grow out of anime. There is a lot out there so finding something I haven't seen is something that I can do everyday. Don't get me wrong, when the baby get's here I will slow down for a while but I will eventually catch up (exspecally when I gota wait to get a PS3 and Resident Evil 5).

[Void]

Good thing with anime is that graphics continue to improve, people get sick of repetitive plots and there are from time to time masterpieces that can even pown Hollywood films... other than that, why get sick of it ? Do people usually get sick of TV series or films ? :)

Whats wrong with Facenook ? Worst case scenario I have ever witnessed: 5 people + me in 1 room: 1 on desktop, 3 on laptop and 1 on Iphone (+ me on nothing) they where all on Facebook... I think they even forgot for a moment to talk to each other and started sending PMs over Facebook... thats a sect I tell ya... WoW is a better investment of time if u ask me... (-.-)

Or just go out of your room and get a life...

[Sithreis]

I got sick of tv in general, but not of some shows themselves... :P

[Darksage]

Good thing with anime is that graphics continue to improve, people get sick of repetitive plots and there are from time to time masterpieces that can even pown Hollywood films... other than that, why get sick of it ? Do people usually get sick of TV series or films ? :)

Whats wrong with Facenook ? Worst case scenario I have ever witnessed: 5 people + me in 1 room: 1 on desktop, 3 on laptop and 1 on Iphone (+ me on nothing) they where all on Facebook... I think they even forgot for a moment to talk to each other and started sending PMs over Facebook... thats a sect I tell ya... WoW is a better investment of time if u ask me... (-.-)

Or just go out of your room and get a life...
So... 5 of your friends is the reason you think Facebook is a "sect" and drops people's IQ?

I'm still not following.

[Sithreis]

When did he say IQ?

[Darksage]

When did he say IQ?
Here:
Do yourself a favor and leave the Facebook sect... ull save time and stop the exponential drop rate of your IQ... (-.-)

[Sithreis]

Thanks, I just didn't see it (clap)(up)

[Void]

Its basically transforming into a sect... before after and even during school/college they go on facebook, even real life topics are more and more facebook related... and also people who just pass their days on some site commenting photos and playing HTTP games are bound to get more and more stupid every day... so their IQ will drop ! (that was a joke... its hard for an IQ to drop in reality...) Anyway, aren't we going a bit offtopic here... :sweat:

[Darksage]

Its basically transforming into a sect... before after and even during school/college they go on facebook, even real life topics are more and more facebook related... and also people who just pass their days on some site commenting photos and playing HTTP games are bound to get more and more stupid every day... so their IQ will drop ! (that was a joke... its hard for an IQ to drop in reality...) Anyway, aren't we going a bit offtopic here... :sweat:
I just can't figure how someone who's as open-minded as yourself would make that remark, even if it was a joke. Because in reality what you say about facebook is what other people say about anime. in the "otaku" blog you answered your own question "are you an otaku?" with "i am what i am", but I don't see that similar thought for people who love facebook or anything else.

[Void]

Ur right... it was a joke and I did push it kind of too far... sorry... its not that I really hate FB, on the contrary I think its a pretty unique invention and I had my benefits from it like finding long lost friends from over 7 years ago... that said some people don't know how to limit themselves... The main problem is that FB witch was meant to be a place where friends are supposed to hang around and share photos + chat has transformed itself into:
1. Add as many people as you can even if u don't really know them coz the bigger my friends counter is the cooler I am.
2. Lets create stupid quizzes and retro games witch require people to invite 20 friends to be able to play and have as many people as possible subscribe.
3. Lets kill the world with spam and adds about adult friend finder sites (even if the viewer is a minor)

So my main critics should go to the people using it rather the the site itself... Its the same with anime, you can't talk all day long about it... its just wrong... but even so, anime is media, like movies or US series it has a plot, a story and FB topics mainly evolve around what/who wrote to whose wall and how many friends x or y added 5min ago... (-.-)

In all things there are exceptions, that is true so FB may not be total crap... but I also have the right to dislike FB to a certain extend and to joke about it on forums... also its a lot more time consuming then anime... (lol)

[Sithreis]

You're touching a bit on the basis of philosophy, understands two sides of a coin, and where to apply them. :P

Besides it's quite easy to like something, but hate the fans involved with it, a prime example would be metalcore and what not. Some bands are ingenius, they can't help to make a buck that their fans are ignorant...though not all metalcore, mathcore, metal anything bands deserve that respect.

As for Anime, I truly enjoy it as an art depending on the series, with it being a community as a whole. Though there are PLENTY of fcking idiots to make you dislike it.

[Void]

You're touching a bit on the basis of philosophy, understands two sides of a coin, and where to apply them. :P

Besides it's quite easy to like something, but hate the fans involved with it, a prime example would be metalcore and what not. Some bands are ingenius, they can't help to make a buck that their fans are ignorant...though not all metalcore, mathcore, metal anything bands deserve that respect.

As for Anime, I truly enjoy it as an art depending on the series, with it being a community as a whole. Though there are PLENTY of fcking idiots to make you dislike it.

(clap) + :china:

[Ereos]

I say it videos like these that put me off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP5lz2CYNR4&feature=related

they make you look like a freak with adverts like that

[Sithreis]

I nearly threw up here....seriously what in god's unknown name was that fucking shit?

"GIRUGAMESHHH" um...no Anyone that has sense knows....just fuck it...that ruined my day.

[Ghostswithin]

holy crap ...sith i didn't know...you dyed you hair but thats you...

[Editor]

I was watching 10 series per week,now i watch 2 episodes per week.I am almost footing on the dead line.
I dont think you can completely stop animes but you are able to reach 1 episode per week :P.
Ages from 17-18+ with gf dont watch animes that much

[Sedrinx]

Damn hopefully my japanese elective i'm taking next sem helps me with raws >.>

[Sithreis]

It can, as can tl'ing with a dictionary, and listening to music.

But nothing is as good as talking with your friend (hellspire) that will bitch and dictate your Japanese to you...FOR FREE! WOOOOOOOOWzers

[byakugan]

I was watching 10 series per week,now i watch 2 episodes per week.I am almost footing on the dead line.
I dont think you can completely stop animes but you are able to reach 1 episode per week :P.
Ages from 17-18+ with gf dont watch animes that much

says who?

[Sithreis]

Seriously. I watch EVERYTHING. Good or bad, I horde the shit like crack cocaine just so I have more material to choose from XD

[byakugan]

i am much more manga orientated, but I still watch a ton...i prefer it over regular TV most days...i still support dubs and visit my local comic shop every wednesday...

[Sithreis]

I would probably read more Manga, but currently I use Anime to learn how to speak Japanese. It's not enough though, I need to get a dictionary, Japanese for dummies etc etc etc.

Though using my current online Japanese to English, listening to music (I'm obsessive with music anyway, why not kill two birds one stone), and about 3 years of watching Anime now, I can tl quite a bit on my own, and can easily and clearly point out errors in subs. I've even watched one or two episodes RAW :P

I started out with dubs LONG ago though, its how I watched FMA and Inuyasha. I haven't gone back at all though, not when I really think about English Dubs are so SOOO cheesy, compared to Japanese seiyu, which is actually only truly feigned in hentai and loli series (though there are plenty to water down the wholesome goodness (no))

[byakugan]

i am not about to claim i value dubs, but it is part of supporting the industry for those of us in the US and if the dubs are not getting ratings then they will not even try and adult swim puts the PJ's and king of the hill on...

[Sithreis]

Yea, adult swim's best shows were birdman, space ghost coast to coast, sealab, metalocalypse (no clue what happened to it, haven't watched adult swim in a long time)

I've always hated watching things outside of their original language regardless though. I watched Empire Of The Wolves (French) with Jean Reno recently, and chose to watch it plain (had no subs) than listen to the horrid English dub. I did watch it before when I rented the DVD though XD

[bakafish007]

i doubt i will ever actually grow out of anime. i'll still follow it, even if i don't watch them as religiously as i used to. there are several stuff that i find intellectually stimulating, which is why i still watch stuff like ergo proxy, trigun, and texhnolyze. plus it's awesome for presentations (one of my philosophy teachers was extremely wierded out when i did a presentation on mental disorders and film with the film paprika, while my friend amanda used the scene where EVA01 ate the angel, which REALLY distrubed the class).
i'd like to think that i'll be raising my kids on anime like i was with kimba, mazinger z, detective conan, and dai no daiboken

[Sithreis]

I love how Anime can take any genre to the extreme, more so than you'd imagine possible, even with children's series. Or, the children's live action shows. Kamen Rider Kiva requires so much thought to catch all the jokes, and the dialog isn't dumbed down, no wonder Japanese kids are smart. Plus the writing for it...is just pure comedic genius. Reminds of older American cartoons that had a crap load of innuendo and references that made me smart as I am today....

Freakazoid.."blimp" *moves plane* "brando.." (lol) Gets me every time.

[byakugan]

i think a good question is when did you/will you grow out of shonen or shojo anime, cause i find that happening, i still read the manga's but I stopped the anime's

[Sithreis]

I still watch kids shows and romance Anime....

[bakafish007]

i think i eased up on the shonen and shojo anime when it became like naruto: "if i wanted to watch 100 episodes of filler i'd watch inuyaha!"
and sith the reason jaapanese kids are so smart is because of the expectations that their parents have: "are you doctor?" "dad, i'm 12 years old!" "TALK TO ME WHEN YOU DOCTOR!"

[Sithreis]

No shit sherlock.

But still, the level of Japanese kids shows, and American kids shows is clear.

(lol)

[Shunrai]

No shit sherlock.

But still, the level of Japanese kids shows, and American kids shows is clear.

(lol)

Yes Japanese kids shows far out class american kids shows american kid shows are a pice of crap just look at spongebob or those other one what is the point of that show?

[Darksage]

Yes Japanese kids shows far out class american kids shows american kid shows are a pice of crap just look at spongebob or those other one what is the point of that show?
What's the point of Rosario + Vampire, or the ecchi genre in general?

[Sithreis]

What's the point of Rosario + Vampire, or the ecchi genre in general?

Hes an idiot don't ask him.

Spongebob is actually one of the better cartoons. It really has a classic looney tunes feel for those that pay attention. I'm sorry, but the melodramatics in spongebob is hilarious, especially when Sandy wanted to be crazy before hybernation, they all hid under the rock from her. And you see nothing but eyes scared to death lulz. Or when there was a bear underwater, a person in a bear suit, I laughed my ass off at that one. (lol)

The point of ecchi is fanservice and comedy, not extremely advanced comedy, but perverted dry humor...NOTHING else. =/

@Shunrai, you make everything you stand for look BAD >_<

[Jun-Kun]

What's the point of Rosario + Vampire, or the ecchi genre in general?

The only thing that had Rosario+Vampire had me going was the girls, other than that..... I mean the storyline was either horrendously bad or non-existant. Furthermore nothing was changed in the second series. Just the same old formula of dry perverted humour. Very dissapointing. I liked Inner Moka. (sob)

Speaking of American cartoons, my favourite ones were Dexter's Lab and Happy Tree Friends (Indeed!), not to mention the old classics like Looney Tunes and Tom&Jerry. Each episode is different but has it's own unique humour in short bursts. Also you gotta love the slapstick. (lol)

[Darksage]

My only point was that his claim that American anime are pieces of crap and out out classed by Japanese anime (this post:

Yes Japanese kids shows far out class american kids shows american kid shows are a pice of crap just look at spongebob or those other one what is the point of that show?)

is baseless.

[Sedrinx]

It bothers me when u mention "kids shows" when most anime series aren't really catered for kids unless its pokemon, etc

It's really easy to distinguish series like Code Geass/Death Note and Batman/Ben10 (lol). The amount of violence in the latter is laughable since they are targeting for the kids audience

[Sithreis]

It bothers me when u mention "kids shows" when most anime series aren't really catered for kids unless its pokemon, etc

It's really easy to distinguish series like Code Geass/Death Note and Batman/Ben10 (lol). The amount of violence in the latter is laughable since they are targeting for the kids audience

No, I don't consider Anime kids shows because most if not all have more mature elements that all other forms of entertaintment. There are Saturday blocks and what not, but nothing like that is found on OW (Chi is cute, for all ages back off)

My only point was that his claim that American anime are pieces of crap and out out classed by Japanese anime (this post:

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is baseless.

I make it a pact to never agree with someone who agrees with me when they reach the final point immediately without any introspective thought.

Off hand, I don't HATE American animation because I like Japanese cartons, but generally to me, it's like comparing general gore and 'cheap' horror, with that which is truly mentally disturbing. I see the need for both, but prefer one more than the other. Thats still not the right explanation for describing how I put the two into completely different catagories.

[Void]

My point of view:

Anime is in general more mature then cartoons, it also teaches u a lot about life, the human nature and stuff like that. Compared to that cartoons are in general immature (in general) and have the only goal of entertaining with low lvl humour, sometimes horror or even adventure. Anime somehow finds a middle point, but ofc everything depends on the genre.
That could be bcoz of the age range that is being targeted for Americana cartoons. I don't think that I have seen any Americana cartoons targeting an older public (18+, don't mean porn -_-) other then some that tend to have extreme parody elements like south park and the likes.
Also, I mean no offence (no seriously I don't mean any offence xD) but the general public in the US has a different mentality... or should I call it a serious lac of education ? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but, 17 year old kids don't know what's Pythagorean theorem, adults think that France is still a monarchy and some can't even tell u where Brazil is... their world ends at their borders and maybe till Mexico and Canada coz there are a lot of films about them... ok I got carried away, but still, I have proof... :/

But the most important thing is evolution. In anime, from one year to another u can actually see the difference between shows, in elements of art (or graphics) and in storyline. Cartoons on the other hand tend to be too simplistic once again coz small kids see no difference. So the best graphics I've seen so far should be in ben10 ? Not sure... Anyway, there is no progress. There where once cartoons, worthy of being compared with the best anime shows out there like tom and jerry, lion king (...) that not only have good humour but also teach u many useful things if ur just a bit smart enough to read between the lines, but now all they do is try and copy these. I think that true cartoons have died away a long time ago with its creator, Walter Elias Disney. Now all we have are some cheep copies... In general that is... coz u always can find exceptions... some cartoons even though they have no special moral to teach u or don't have super graphics, still can be considered good cartoons like spongebob with has stupid but good humour or even some that tend to be a bit more original like the grim adventures of billy and mandy...

So if only statistically speaking we have: anime>>>>>cartoons. But don't get me wrong not all anime is good. As I said there are always exceptions... (:])

[Saurabhalab]

I thought this thread was about whether you believe you'd like cartoons when you get older. I think comparing western and japanese cartoons deserve an entirely different thread.

I don't think I'll ever get tired of award winning stuff like Nausicaa and Wall-E. Whether I'll continue to watch other cartoons would probably depend on if they make stuff like death note anymore.
Maybe It's that i like to watch movies as opposed to series lately.

[Sithreis]

I didn't want to be pulled back into this, but what do I have to do to get people to realize and note the different between Cartoon and Anime?

Lemme break down something I already said once.

Anime is taken from the English term Animation, and should not be confused with other forms of [Animation] Just as Rock and Jazz are no more equivalent in music by more than the fact that they are both a PART of music as a whole.

The term Cartoon, is NOT derived from the type of English Animation of the same name. It can describe tone, character, or style. The [CARTOON]''s purpose has always been that of one to depict comedy at it's heart, with various styled elements moving outwards. It is GENERALLY accepted as a Childrens show.

Which is clear as, A, in America if it's not a childrens show, it'll be too raunchy and pulled (anything to touchy on Disney or the sort) OR, it shall be aired in the manner of an adult suggested time, and/or on a channel that is NOT made for children. You won't see family guy on Disney channel, ever. And the only reason anything like that was EVER on Cartoon Network, it was under the Adult Swim block. Which, fyi, was always intended as it's own network. However due to lack of production profit, until as of late they never had resources to veer off into a Network of their own. Note, Adult Swim was aimed for Adults not only due to time, but due to their production, for those that miss it, I believe that RATINGS given to all A.S. shows, and how CLEARLY they were up on the screen (12 o Clock at night people) shows it was for Adults...even it's name depicted that. Also, A.S. was NOT a cartoon based network, it was based off of Animation..the WHOLE concept of giving pikchures or images motion. NOTE again, there were several types of Animation shown on Adult swim, the South park style (which I believe is cutouts) The Anime style, Clay Mation (Robot chicken and others) And Stop Motion animation such as Tom Goes To The Mayer. It is downright TRAVESTY to confuse any of these artistic styles, not only to the name itself, but to the creators. Even if influenced, it does not make something a cartoon if it was merely influenced by it.

Moving on, people have the misconception that the Children's shows such as Wall-E and other ridiculous garbage, are the equivalent to Anime. Wrong, they are not. Instead of labeling something from a culture, and only partially understanding it blah blah blah. Anime is NOT directed at children. The Cartoon equivalent in Japan are the tokatsu (citation needed) and 'super hero' Television shows, that not only are produced with children in mind, but air....early in the mornings on Saturday, and promote Children's action figures, games and the like.

Anime would then be considered, even though it is for all ages as well, the equivalent of SITCOMS people, come on now. CSI, Family Guy (its pretty much an animated sitcom with interchangeable jokes throughout) Two and a Half Kids, anything you would see at around 7-12, even Friends and Seinfeld. THAT is the American Equivalent to Anime. It is marketed for a broader spectrum of viewers, and in no way INTENDS to change any tones in itself, whether it be violent or raunchy. (You could probably go as far as to say some Dramas and Soaps have their Anime counter parts as well)

The only thing, that I would personally not disagree with (but tell me manga readers if you would) Is that Manga would most likely be the Japanese equivalent to comics, simply for their diverse style, their 'book' intentions, and similar broad, nerdish spectrum of readers. (Please correct me if I am wrong)


So in conclusion, if you still fail to see just where these genres fall, you're either very stubborn, stupid, or your disliking of it in general leads you to knowingly disregard whatever may separate these works.

If you don't understand the differences, and that leads you to dislike Anime, I feel that is an even greater loss, but you don't HAVE to like or watch it to post here, though I think you should understand its origins etc etc etc.

[kastoob]

Sorry Sithreis, I disagree with you, even after reading that essay of a post. I would argue against(though i mean not to get anyone angry), but that would be off-topic, and i cbf right now so i refrain. Let me gather some resources, I'll start a new thread and fight you ;) . It's more of a fight over language which I don't feel to passionate about.

I have aspirations to be involved in similar media (graphic literature of the non-animated kind) in the future, so I highly doubt I'll completely halt my intake of Japanese animated CARTOONS ( :P ). They can get very mature and intense, and the quality only improves over the years. If I stopped watching, I'd be missing out, and I'd know it too.

[Void]

Lol kastoob ur one of the ppl that categorise media by it's graphics:

"Everything that is drown falls under the category of cartoons, why ? Coz the things I saw as a kid where drawn and called cartoons thus everything else that is drawn and animated falls under the category of cartoons..."
Witch is the equivalent of:
"A cat has 4 legs, a dog has 4 legs too. And so we can conclude that a dog is actually a cat"

Media should be distinguished by its content and by its form u can't focus on just one and forget the other.
It's like sith said, in music there are these similarities 2: metal and rock for example are similar in some ways (instruments for ex) but they are not the same thing.

I think that u are confused by the term "cartoon", u use the word in vain while not knowing its true meaning ! Bcoz cartoon doesn't equal something that is drawn and animated... -_-'

"I have aspirations to be involved in similar media (graphic literature of the non-animated kind) in the future" ---> You've still got a long way to go... :D

[Editor]

Lol kastoob ur one of the ppl that categorise media by it's graphics:

"Everything that is drown falls under the category of cartoons, why ? Coz the things I saw as a kid where drawn and called cartoons thus everything else that is drawn and animated falls under the category of cartoons..."
Witch is the equivalent of:
"A cat has 4 legs, a dog has 4 legs too. And so we can conclude that a dog is actually a cat"

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(clap)

[Sithreis]

I wasn't off topic because I vented all of that into the conclusion people let that affected if they like Anime and if they grow out of it from doing so etc etc etc.

So far, I'm the only one to not use OPINION in one's refutes, but fact >_>


Editor...add something to the argument.

Kosori....I have a cat named Puppey (tense) (srs) Maybe my life is a sham.....

[Editor]

Editor...add something to the argument.



Ok,
Dear people...its not the quantity,its the quality that matters.
People may say animes - "cartoons" because they are animated,tag them "Only for kids".
Those people never really saw a good anime OR they are lame taggers.
Because someone saied "This is cartoon" is not cartoon,i cant name my shit - "chocolate" because they are both brown.
There are differences at the plot and meaning of a cartoon and an anime.
Cartoons are something like mickey mouse or bugs bunny without any meaning because the audience they refer to are brainless 5 years old kids.
If you watch an anime and dont get the meaning,you must run a brain check.Your brain probably stoped at the age of 5.
Animes in some occasions teach you something about life...(EX:School Days :If you fuck you die),what abotu cartoons?:If you chase a bunny with a shotgun you wont kill him and he will pwn your ass for 10 years because he is bugs bunny from warner bros?

The content refers to older people at animes.
The content counts.

[Void]

@Sith: Don't worry u can always consider yourself as the embodiment of contradiction and live on happily ever after ! (lol)

[Editor]

@Sith: Don't worry u can always consider yourself as the embodiment of contradiction and live on happily ever after ! (lol)

No,Sith-Must-Die.

[Sithreis]

Ok,
Dear people...its not the quantity,its the quality that matters.
People may say animes - "cartoons" because they are animated,tag them "Only for kids".
Those people never really saw a good anime OR they are lame taggers.
Because someone saied "This is cartoon" is not cartoon,i cant name my shit - "chocolate" because they are both brown.
There are differences at the plot and meaning of a cartoon and an anime.
Cartoons are something like mickey mouse or bugs bunny without any meaning because the audience they refer to are brainless 5 years old kids.
If you watch an anime and dont get the meaning,you must run a brain check.Your brain probably stoped at the age of 5.
Animes in some occasions teach you something about life...(EX:School Days :If you fuck you die),what abotu cartoons?:If you chase a bunny with a shotgun you wont kill him and he will pwn your ass for 10 years because he is bugs bunny from warner bros?

The content refers to older people at animes.
The content counts.

One, Anime doesn't need an 's', it's singular and plural.
Two....My Shit is delicious chocolate, just like my chocolate salty balls.
Three, Bugs Bunny was one of the last lines of Cartoons that not only had a real meaning, but showed true genius. Probably the only [Cartoon] I could compare [Anime] with.

Kosori...I just try to get people to stop seeing their opinions (lol) And believing them as fact (:])

[Darksage]

I don't give a crap about cartoons = anime or not. GTFO of my thread with it.

[Saurabhalab]

I don't give a crap about cartoons = anime or not. GTFO of my thread with it.

LOL. Dark sage i give u + rep for that.

[kastoob]

I don't give a crap about cartoons = anime or not. GTFO of my thread with it.

Which is why I dont defend myself against these entirely emotionally driven arguments. :/ Sorry man, they've hijacked your thread. I'll fight you guys, on another thread, which I'll start and link you too.

All of your arguments against my beleifs have not swayed me. I still beleive you are the ones who are confused.

Darksage, re-commandeer your thread.
The rest of you can now take the fight elsewhere: http://forums.otakuworks.com/showthread.php?p=264885#post264885

[Void]

(tense)

[Darksage]

(tense)
At least you revived my thread with a straight face.

[kastoob]

I'm cannot bring myself to watch much cartoons lately... I guess it is possible for the interest to wane.

[Ereos]

i always watch anime but i cnt bring myself to watch non-animated dramas
also movies nowadays

[kastoob]

i always watch anime but i cnt bring myself to watch non-animated dramas
also movies nowadays

poor guy...
live action movies > anime

[Ereos]

live action based on anime... = fail...
all of them fail...
only DNote did good cos of all the fanboy/girls faggotry

[Sedrinx]

live action based on anime... = fail...

Same sentiments, I don't watch much live action based on anime but the only one which I enjoyed was Death Note. But take note most shonen like Bleach/Naruto which contain loads of special powers are harder to make a live action movie.

Death Note just needed CGI for the shinigami and a notebook prop for the plot and it handled real people and situations.

Regarding other adaptions, I just watched Blood the last vampire, omg it sucks like crap. Sure the blood and violence was there, but the acting was so bad especially from the damsel in distress. I couldn't help but laugh during some REAL CLICHE scenes when the actors couldn't bring out the emotions.

[kastoob]

I have no idea why anyone would ever want to make a film based of anime.
When I said live action I refer to films in general with real actors. Top quality live action films can be so much more immersive than anime. I just watch anime when I'm bored and to lazy to do useful things.

[byakugan]

I have been thinking about this lately because of the news of so many projects being optioned out...... they are different genres of media expressions...anime by nature is something someone purposefully did not make into live action, it was drawn/animated. So even at the most fundamental level, there is a large disconnect...

[Darksage]

anime by nature is something someone purposefully did not make into live action, it was drawn/animated. So even at the most fundamental level, there is a large disconnect...
I've been thinking about that for a while since you made that post and I agree to an extent. I don't think we can fully assume that they were chosen to be animated over live action )even though most anime are derived from a manga). I think a large part of it is that it's much more cost-effective, and perhaps time-effective, to animate something than to have a cast act it out.

[artemis_]

imo,live action for anime is bad for the that anime fame..it's only good for fanboy though some will not satisfy with it..

i've only watch death note live action and yet to watch dragonball or blood..

[kkatty35]

Well i am more into manga but my first contact with anime was when i was 10 years guess it was Sailor moon but i didn t realized that it was an anime, Later i started watching anime on tv like Inuyasha , and i was crazy for Yuyu hakusho but now i don t have so much time anymore (sob)not even to read manga but i think i will never grow out of anime so when i have time manga & anime are my first option(:]) They completly changed my childhood.

[mrxpibb]

I think anime series like Ergo Proxy, Spice and Wolf, Bakemonogatari, and Darker Than Black are series you can always appreciate. Shounen/Shoujo series or most likely anything with the ecchi genre attached are also something we'll grow to dislike.

[MidnightRose]

You know anime does kind die out the older you get. But I find the favorites live on. My sister was watching kidswb and the first Yu-Gi-Oh came on. Loved that show! You know how they introduce it now? "The Original Yu-Gi-Oh!"...... -_- and the best. Inuyasha was great. Now they have Inuyasha the Final Act, which I had to watch. Fullmetal Brotherhood. All of the shows I used to watch and really the only ones.
Anime wont be interesting forever, but if they were to continue an older series you used to watch, then I think anyone would go for it. Relive the memories I guess haha

[nichtejager]

*blinks* if anime interest dies out as the older you get... wth?! I watch more now than I did when I was a teenager. The only show I watched back then was Robotech; it was replaced by Macross, Orguss and the Super Dimension Century. Took years before I got into anything other than the Macross stuff, well, aside from hentai, and I'm told that doesn't count. I've got hundreds of titles in vhs, dvd and a terabyte of anime stored on my desktop.

Age isn't a factor.

[Sithreis]

Age isn't a factor.

^this

[Ryokofanboy]

Wasn't going to, instead I ended up getting into One Piece 2 yrs ago. Boy am I glad too. One Piece is awesome.

[byakugan]

I think age is a factor....my anime tastes have changed drastically from when I was younger, I have grown out of the shounen series or anything that is based on a manga. I read much more than I watch now.

you can't say age does not affect your preferences, maturation always changes things, we can be nostalgic about our childhood interests ad there are some series always stand the test of time, but others don't

[nichtejager]

Again, I have to disagree, but this time it is based on personal persepective. My reading tastes are basically unchanged from 14 to 40 if you look over titles I've collected over a lifetime. Trust me, with over 7,000 books in my personal library, there are more than enough to hunt through. In high school I was into science fiction and fantasy and horror - while many of those authors are not still writing, and some aren't even alive anymore, the genres still stand. I was also a freak for reading occult books and reference books, something I still do. Just finished a pathology book, one on neuropathology and one on blood evidence for forensic sciences by Dr. Lee. But I also read books of that nature as far back as grade school.

When it comes to manga, anime or reading, I'm pretty much an omnivore - so long as it appeals to my personal tastes, I'll sample it, and if I find it interesting, I'll continue as a consumer. I look for different things in different areas, true, but the me of today still enjoys the same things as the me of 1984.

[byakugan]

I am the same, a collector at heart, I even save my textbooks for my library...and this is an incredibly subjective argument.

but I think age related relevancy is a large factor in all media consumption

[MidnightRose]

Sometimes it's not even age. In time you may learn that you weren't as die hard for anime as you thought you were because only a few shows have caught interest and you never really searched for more haha.

[textureheap]

IMO It's too unique to replace with something else, I haven't seen another culture that can produce interesting stories and engaging characters they way the Japanese do. So for me I'd say growing out of anime would be impossilble, more likely I would run out of new anime to watch and just have to rewatch what gems I already have, especially if they continue the trend with shows like Qwazer and HS of the Dead.

As of today I have over 2300 DVDs spanning over 1600 titles, most of which I haven't had time to watch yet, so at least I won't run out anytime soon.

[Sithreis]

As of today I have over 2300 DVDs spanning over 1600 titles, most of which I haven't had time to watch yet, so at least I won't run out anytime soon.

Hey....don't die(shame)

[Saurabhalab]

I haven't seen another culture that can produce interesting stories and engaging characters they way the Japanese do.

This textureheap guy is trolling me so hard right now.

[byakugan]

yeah....that was as bad as 'kubrick sucks' that someone posted a while ago....

but seriously...all cultures have the characters, but maybe not the medium the japanese chose to use

[Saurabhalab]

yeah....that was as bad as 'kubrick sucks' that someone posted a while ago....

but seriously...all cultures have the characters, but maybe not the medium the japanese chose to use

wonder who that was. They must be pretty dumb in the head.

[kastoob]

IMO It's too unique to replace with something else, I have seen many cultures that can produce interesting stories and engaging characters they way the Japanese don't do.

fixed.

Making interesting stories and characters is nothing unique to any culture. There are a lot of bad works and a few good works coming from a lot of different places. Japan included. Uniqueness from Japanese works stem from the cultural background, different influences and different values of the society.

[textureheap]

fixed.
Making interesting stories and characters is nothing unique to any culture. There are a lot of bad works and a few good works coming from a lot of different places. Japan included. Uniqueness from Japanese works stem from the cultural background, different influences and different values of the society.
Wut? "nothing unique" then later "Uniqueness...." I wonder, can you have it both ways?

So anyway, got any examples? Anything that is actually comparable with interesting stories and characters that are as engaging? I mean I have several anime series that are so good, and so engaging that I totally loose track of time watching, where when the ED flashes up I'm stunned that it was already over, "what that was 20 min? no way!"; 8 hours later it occurs to me that I haven't gotten out of my chair in EIGHT HOURS!, dammit. If that exists elsewhere, I haven't seen it myself. So till then, anime rules.

[byakugan]

yes you can have it both ways, crappy and awesome media come from the same outlet time and time again, as does the formulaic and unique...

I have nothing to disprove your statement because, again, it is predicated on personal preference...you have watched anime that engage you so fully you lose track of time...which is awesome, I love it when that happens, its great to be sucked into something...but that is subjective to the viewer, and your experience, and you cannot apply a objective evaluation to all forms of media in all cultures because of that subjective experience...

[kastoob]

Wut? "nothing unique" then later "Uniqueness...." I wonder, can you have it both ways?

So anyway, got any examples? Anything that is actually comparable with interesting stories and characters that are as engaging? I mean I have several anime series that are so good, and so engaging that I totally loose track of time watching, where when the ED flashes up I'm stunned that it was already over, "what that was 20 min? no way!"; 8 hours later it occurs to me that I haven't gotten out of my chair in EIGHT HOURS!, dammit. If that exists elsewhere, I haven't seen it myself. So till then, anime rules.
If you would care to read my post instead of just three words, you would realise there is no hypocrisy in my statement.
Here is a list of 'Western' works that are comparable in storyline to a large portion (not all) of Japanese cartoons:
-High school musical
-Twilight
-Degrassi High
-Gossip Girl
-She's the Man
-Sleepover
^ I actually have not seen any of these films so I could be way off the mark, but I assume these films cover the teen drama/romance category.

You got me in that I don't know any sci-fi's which involve people screaming and crying a damned lot every time they push some lever in their mecha cockpit forward.

Here are some works with good storylines and interesting characters (This list is entirely of comics/graphic novels):
-Watchmen
-Blacksad
-Fables
-Y: the last man
-Sin City
-Batman: The Killing Joke
-V for Vendetta
-Pride of Baghdad

I wonder if you shall find anything comparable to those in Japan.

Just because Japan made Akira(which I thoroughly love) does not mean everything outside of Japan is dull.

[mrxpibb]

Wut? "nothing unique" then later "Uniqueness...." I wonder, can you have it both ways?

So anyway, got any examples? Anything that is actually comparable with interesting stories and characters that are as engaging? I mean I have several anime series that are so good, and so engaging that I totally loose track of time watching, where when the ED flashes up I'm stunned that it was already over, "what that was 20 min? no way!"; 8 hours later it occurs to me that I haven't gotten out of my chair in EIGHT HOURS!, dammit. If that exists elsewhere, I haven't seen it myself. So till then, anime rules.

Anime rules, but that's pretty ignorant. I can think of plenty of movies that are just as engaging, if not more engaging, than any anime series.

[nichtejager]

kastoob, I sentence you to a weekend of watching the utter dreck you so casually mentioned as a Western creative alternative to anime. Better yet, you need strapped down in the chair from A Clockwork Orange before hand to better appreciate Twilight in case it has the same sonambulant effect on you, as it did me.

The hell?! Neil Gaiman's Death books were much better an offering, along with the graphic novel forms of Constantine (not Keanu Reeves constipated Americanized version) and the ever delectable Emma Frost. At least you had the good graces to list Sin City, a long-time favorite of mine - one that actually survived the transition onto the big screen. The Watchmen wasn't nearly as excellent on screen as it was in the novel form, and fans had been waiting for so long they gave up any expectations of excellence. However, I find it amusing that you never thought to list the X-Men which kicked the crap out of Batman at the box office (with the exception of the one ill-fated title with the Joker), despite the fact the series of movies didn't follow canon, but did contain the characters. At least they didn't look retarded, running around in underwear with bed-head and cliched dialogue. At least the studio reps finally figured out that while fan boys love that sort of thing, the rest of the movie viewing public, doesn't.

You don't know good science fiction? You need (cranky deleted). Serenity, Star Wars, Star Trek, Flash Gordon, Doctor Who, Battlestar Gallactica, The Fifth Element, Alien, Red Dwarf... there are literally hundreds of titles. I like science fiction. I like mecha based science fiction, so your mecha comment pissed me off. Right now I'm striving to ignore it. Really, very hard.

[byakugan]

so confrontational...i'd say personal preference cannot be objectively ruled again, but no fanboys seem to be listening....I think you misunderstood kastoob's post. I can assuredly say by no means is he supporting any of this tripe, nor valuing it over any of the titles you listed...

Here is a list of 'Western' works that are comparable in storyline to a large portion (not all) of Japanese cartoons:
-High school musical
-Twilight
-Degrassi High
-Gossip Girl
-She's the Man
-Sleepover

but they are comparable to some of the shojo/loli/high school based BS that a lot of anime covers these days...granted there are the great ones from every genre including mecha that rise above all that and are amazing series, but the rest are as terrible and juvenile as twilight. Kastoob and saura hate most things, they are the never ending critics...so what? most people don't like sci-fi and even less like anime in professional life, it bothers me too but you cannot assail them nor does it make them stupid, its just...wait for it...personal preference


and kryton, rimmer, CAT, and of course Lister fucking rocked. its cold outside with no kind of atmosphere

[Sithreis]

A good critic is one that can dissect a work over the boundaries it's genre entails. A bad critic is one who criticizes for what they don't like, and not why it's wrong in action.


"-High school musical
-Twilight
-Degrassi High
-Gossip Girl
-She's the Man
-Sleepover"

There is fluff and garbage in every form of media.
So let me get this straight.
Here we have one member expressing his opinion on the pinnacle of ______ (story, animation, comedy etc etc) found in the best of anime series, not general shoujo or mindless fluff which has been likened to (on a mass basis) those the above listed movies? The equivalent of japanese animation, can only be english animation (as we aren't comparing works for their types of story, as books could even be mentioned at such a point) and the days of Hana Barbara are long gone, and all we are left with are poor caricature style characters, low quality voice acting, and stories simple enough for a lobotomy victim to fully comprehend.

With that said, the general Anime is still mass produced with a large majority of the series being forgettable or downright disgusting in direction. Even then, the talent put into the sub-par works (voice acting, the animation styles) are still more advanced than their English equivalent. This is only because of the much greater demand for Anime in Japan, as well as the target audiences and profit to be made off the market.

It's like one country having flying cars and the other not having them. There are still going to be certain marketing strategies forcing an abundant 'filler' and top of the line products for both sides. Its just the top of the line for one has the edge over the top of the line for the other simple because the technology/blueprints/technique used is better.

Japan's animation and all that goes into it, is the most advanced, yeah. A lot of the stories are much more mature and stuff than you'd think. But their industry is still an industry, and suffers the shortcomings of all big business. There are still a bunch of forgettable series and downright stupid shit just to feed the masses with, its just more polished than it would be elsewhere.

Now, textureheap, if that even is your real name. While I agree on the animation level [only] that Anime is superior, I'd have to disagree if you meant it on a blanket basis that it reached the pinnacle in the works of art and medic available. If you don't believe that, go watch No Country For Old Men.

@ Kastoob & Saura

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[mrxpibb]

A good critic is one that can dissect a work over the boundaries it's genre entails. A bad critic is one who criticizes for what they don't like, and not why it's wrong in action.


"-High school musical
-Twilight
-Degrassi High
-Gossip Girl
-She's the Man
-Sleepover"

There is fluff and garbage in every form of media.
So let me get this straight.
Here we have one member expressing his opinion on the pinnacle of ______ (story, animation, comedy etc etc) found in the best of anime series, not general shoujo or mindless fluff which has been likened to (on a mass basis) those the above listed movies? The equivalent of japanese animation, can only be english animation (as we aren't comparing works for their types of story, as books could even be mentioned at such a point) and the days of Hana Barbara are long gone, and all we are left with are poor caricature style characters, low quality voice acting, and stories simple enough for a lobotomy victim to fully comprehend.

With that said, the general Anime is still mass produced with a large majority of the series being forgettable or downright disgusting in direction. Even then, the talent put into the sub-par works (voice acting, the animation styles) are still more advanced than their English equivalent. This is only because of the much greater demand for Anime in Japan, as well as the target audiences and profit to be made off the market.

It's like one country having flying cars and the other not having them. There are still going to be certain marketing strategies forcing an abundant 'filler' and top of the line products for both sides. Its just the top of the line for one has the edge over the top of the line for the other simple because the technology/blueprints/technique used is better.

Japan's animation and all that goes into it, is the most advanced, yeah. A lot of the stories are much more mature and stuff than you'd think. But their industry is still an industry, and suffers the shortcomings of all big business. There are still a bunch of forgettable series and downright stupid shit just to feed the masses with, its just more polished than it would be elsewhere.

Now, textureheap, if that even is your real name. While I agree on the animation level [only] that Anime is superior, I'd have to disagree if you meant it on a blanket basis that it reached the pinnacle in the works of art and medic available. If you don't believe that, go watch No Country For Old Men.

@ Kastoob & Saura

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Goddamnit, Sithreis. Once, every blue moon, you say something incredibly profound. I can't follow this post for shit. Thank you for gracing us with your brilliance. I look forward to your continued trolling.

[byakugan]

I have no dispute with the anime comparison, though venture brothers is pure win


I'd have to disagree if you meant it on a blanket basis that it reached the pinnacle in the works of art and media available. If you don't believe that, go watch No Country For Old Men.


but that is what this discussion has evolved into, textures comment took us out of the animation discussion and into media in general because of the connotation.

[Sithreis]

I usually don't see a need to be real serious on here, but you guys are just killing this thread with insipid babbling on what you like and what you don't.

[Saurabhalab]

i haven't raged yet. >:C
edit:
i think anime is for teens who have just discovered hormones n things. I think it's easy to grow out of it.

i dont see how hes making ppl rage. His point is simple: "Just because Japan made Akira(which I thoroughly love) does not mean everything outside of Japan is dull. "

[kastoob]

Look you guys, the man wanted a list of examples comparable to anime, he didn't make any specific limitation, which series, he just said anime. I think of anime in a general sense, I think of hundreds of high school dramas. So I made a list which I thought was equivalent in value to this general amount of anime. I by no means have apprecation for twilight and the likes.
I love sci-fi. It's my favourite type of fiction. I liked gundam and Macross, but I didn't get why all the characters got so emo. So often we go for zoom ins into the cockpit, look at the character converse a line, folowed by screaming and sprinting his mech/gundam forward, that I don't like. The endings where weird, what was up with the naked people flying around in 00 and in Macross? wtf. All i meant to imply is that form of mecha is something you wont see much of outside of Japan.
@Sith, I indulge in a lot of graphic media. I am not hating on dramas because of the nature that they are dramas, but because they are uninspired and dull. They all look the same. One pathetic guy likes the hottest girl in the school, his friend is a perv who regularly gets magazines, there is another girl who has to be cute (heaven forbid liking a girl for reasons beyond her looks) who competes like a slut for the main characters attention.
While Japans animation quality is improving, they seem to be stuck to catering for otas, I'm not going to fault producers and writers for it, I just think that minority has poor taste. Maybe I'm prejudicial in that regard.
Lastly, @nichtejager (http://forums.otakuworks.com/member.php?u=17088) you listed a lot of good works, I by no means am contending liking those things are bad, or any of the listed works are bad, and I would put those above the list of teen dramas anyday. Personally, I enjoyed the Watchmen film more than the novel.
I just intend to fight the idea Japan's anime in general is better in storyline and characters than any other form of media.

Contrary to what you people might think, I like a lot of things.

[Sithreis]

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Its probably the melodramatic element the Japanese have. Its in a lot of their drama and stuff too. I can't go into sociology of it, but they put emphasis on the facial expressions to show the emotion. Even some of the best series, or most comedic series, have the most crucial of moment depict a facial expression like no other. It also lights the mood for the scene (guys getting all oogle eyed when seeing a chick naked and stuff in ecchi series). I do agree saura, that in the most generic of series they have lame, over-the-top, cliche and overused cuts to a characters face. Just another part of the fluff series, the series I also avoid :P

[Stephine]

Life happens. You get busy, and sitting at your computer watching anime doesn't happen as much anymore. However, the interest for it doesn't always die out. you come across some dvd's and the little spark of interest says "hey pop it in!!"
I was never die hard into anime. I liked the few and I still watch them from time to time haha, but I don't get as excited as I used to when a new Inuyasha was coming on(then again I think after 167 or whatever eps...yeah...haha)

[CK]

Honesty, Ive grown out of anime, I watch it when im at home on saturday night on adult swim. But I think once toonami went away I was done then.

[Bratcatz]

At home there's so many anime's on the book shelf plus all the downloaded one's , i seem to gettig bored with them.In the first place they took me away from commercial Hollywood crap, that was a blessing, now I'm more into manga's, weird lol.

[kaldezarr]

I'm hooked in, I just enjoy it. I like the anime, the manga, the dramas - and I don't really care if they're fluff or bad - as long as they make ME smile, or laugh. I've even branched into the Korean manwha and dramas - go figure.

Will I ever burn out?? - who cares. Hey, if it makes my miserable, drab, lonely life even a bit better, damn right I'm all for it. After all, nothing better than pointing out the differences between Japanese and American TV to your boss while watching the first episode of Gash/Zatch Bell (from the fan-sub groups) at work. Try keeping a straight face through that one...

[Sithreis]

+1 Sir

[Vecnan]

I have been watching anime for about 10 years now and the only thing that has changed is the style of anime that I prefer. I can't imagine that I will ever grow out of it. I may stop taking on new series at some point but I will always go back to the ones that I have enjoyed historically.

[Darksage]

I'll agree with that - no matter how silly or uninteresting I find a lot of newer anime, I can always roll back and watch Inuyasha or an older favorite of mine and enjoy it.

[stargirl20]

I will never grow out of anime. I started to love anime ever since I was little. I will still keep it because it's part of my life. I just like it.

[artemis_]

I have been watching anime for about 10 years now and the only thing that has changed is the style of anime that I prefer. I can't imagine that I will ever grow out of it. I may stop taking on new series at some point but I will always go back to the ones that I have enjoyed historically.
wow..10 years..started from kid's or working period..neway it's kinda awesome..i'm feel like agreeing with you..

I'll agree with that - no matter how silly or uninteresting I find a lot of newer anime, I can always roll back and watch Inuyasha or an older favorite of mine and enjoy it.
seconded..to be honest that's what i've been doing right now,newer series and new genre(or fetish)..(-.-)

personally,recent anime getting crappier..there're 2-3 series that notably remarkable per season..such,Bakemonogatari,Arakawa,Index,Kaichou wa Maid-sama..
the last time i wrote here was july 2009 when i were still in uni..n at the time,i dun think i'll grow out of anime..thank god,now it's still the same..

the difference is commitment..mostly i can watch anime whenever i like or marathon in a single night..but now as works piling up,sometimes i missed to watch even 1 episode..
3 days of no watching anime..something feel not right..thus,i'm doing some mundane work while watching anime..multitasking..(sob)..

[Saurabhalab]

Past me voted no.
Wow.
Guess I didn't realise that it was going to go the way it is now.

I think most of the oldfags on OW can say we're losing interest.

[Sithreis]

Past me voted no.
Wow.
Guess I didn't realise that it was going to go the way it is now.

I think most of the oldfags on OW can say we're losing interest.

Only in the garbage series that keep coming out each season lol. I still love a good anime.

[kastoob]

I'm more into animated feature length films over tv series nowadays. I'd dare say some of the best animated works from Japan lie in films.

[cheaga]

Will i grow out of anime yes... I have already started ... will i grow out of manga... NEVER!!!!!! even my dad still likes manga and he is like in his 50's

[Raiziel]

Thats not growing out of it. It just sounds like you unwillingly or maybe against comfort cannot find the time to actually watch or read anything. Doesn't that mean that you want to and can't at the moment?

@post I always thought that to grow out of something, it would take a sort of revalation for one's self to realize that as they are now they don't need something, not that their life just gets more busy =/

A lot of business people are too busy to have a normal sex life...doesn't really mean they grew out of it.

In the end, until you can go a week without associating anything in the otaku community with yourself, you won't be able to leave (lol)


ditto :)