Ripping (in terms of Graphics)

[Hellspire]

It has recently come to my attention, that Jester has been accused of ripping. Despite his efforts to persuade members otherwise, his words have fallen on deaf-ears. The reason for this is because of a lack of clarity as to what exactly is ripping.

Ripping (in terms of graphics) is the use of an image or images whether to create a brush, effect, or any other use, without permission. Permission is granted if the source dictates that said image or images can be used for private uses (this is effectively an open-source) on an already painted canvas so-to-speak. As the law of open-source dictates, open source cannot be sold or what not without the owners express permission (then it would break the GNU contract, and such), however, it can be used to create other images rightfully.

If you don't believe me, consider 'preformated brushes' that people can download for free with the creators consent. Use of such, is also legal in the open source respect, however, the rights of resell only apply if the brush is significantly unique and cannot be reproduced exactly).

Some people that I know are aware of this rule, even if they don't say it. However, people tend to associate the preformat with half-assed work; thus it is frowned upon. This does not mean that the open-source does not apply in that respect, and ignoring it, is shear idiocy if you call it ripping. Get it through your heads!

Next, if you don't specify that you forbid the use of any open-source preformat to create a new result for a battle or what-not, and you accuse someone of ripping, you are not only wrong, but you look foolish when you do so.

Therefore, the solution is simple: specify! To reitterate, Jester does NOT use preformatted brushes in his work. The use of open-source space image in a recent battle, is not ripping. Now that that is clear, you are free to debate this issue if you wish. Although, you should recognize that whenever I speak like this I am correct. Have at it!

[Swift]

He didn't rip. Downloaded brushes aitn considered ripping either.

Also, there's no reason's to get all legal and shit. Since ripping aint necessarily a legal issue but one of morality. its all basically opinion.

I just dont like the idea, but essentially it doesn't even matter.

[Nori]

I don't consider what Jester does ripping. There is no rule on the internet or in the graphics field saying that using a non graphic image to make a brush is ripping. Because its really not.

Also as Swift said downloading free brushes is not ripping. It is considered unprofessional by many that do graphics and also lazy but most definately not ripping.

Honestly, I think that people are mad because they are loosing to him with the work that he does especially since he hasn't been doing graphics for as long as others on here.

Thats just me though I wanna here what other people say, so I can comment on that also.

[Deception]

One thing I see ripping is the use of someone else work meaning graphics or photo captured images and minipulating that work into your work to create a better work. A good example is:

I see a render I like by Speakerbox since everyone has heard him and one day I decide to download it by right clicking on it and customizing it my way and adding it to my work and use some basic touch up skills and claming or not even saying a word about me using someone else render.

Now to me the fact that anime images are out there for the purpose of us to use in our works or other reasons.

Now I will admit I threw this issue up since in many and in my eyes the post that was made from Jester about " I found an image in a search from google. I downloaded it, used some minipulation and defined it as a brush and used it" as a shear example of what not to do and a form of ripping. Now personally i have no beef or any problems with him and this is why no actions were taken and life will go on and now that Hellspire has edited the rules to make the boarder of ripping a little more clear.


Honestly, I think that people are mad because they are loosing to him with the work that he does especially since he hasn't been doing graphics for as long as others on here.
he has admitted that he "draws it out" and has his a relative do the work

[Swift]

Well basically, Jester does the work, the only thing his relative does is scan it and save it on the pc.

Well i do think Nori has a point, many people may not like how he got so good so fast.

[Hellspire]

I swear, sometimes when you guys post and respond to one another you make me laugh. Take for instance, what nori said here:
Also as Swift said downloading free brushes is not ripping. It is considered unprofessional by many that do graphics and also lazy but most definately not ripping.
My response: Hi! I believe I stated as much.
Or even worse, Swifts immediate reply:

He didn't rip. Downloaded brushes aitn considered ripping either.

Also, there's no reason's to get all legal and shit. Since ripping aint necessarily a legal issue but one of morality. its all basically opinion.

I just dont like the idea, but essentially it doesn't even matter.

My response in sections:

I didn't say he did; nor did I say that downloaded brushes is ripping. However, downloaded brushes IS considered ripping by those of you who accused Jester of taking that image and modifying it. For by taking that and modifying that open-source image, he is doing the same thing as using a downloaded brush, both are preformatted in some way, and both are open-source in that respect when the images used are stated as open-source.
I like getting legal and shit.. what of it? Ripping is a legal issue, you can get fined if you break an open-source license. Now, stretching the GNU open-source to include this sort of discussion is a stretch, but nevertheless it is relatively the same thing. Morality? More of the general stupidity of people. Some people believe that using preformat in any way is wrong, and in certain cases it IS wrong, but then these people go and apply it to ALL situations of preformat and ignore the open-source GNU thus making them seem stupid.
I really have no comment for this one...



I'm sorry if I offend any of you, but you guys set yourselves up as targets that I can just slap down. :poketoung

[Stevil]

And this is the place where I write something random like "taco's" and people write "lol" below it.

I'll skip that part.

Ripping is a complete matter of oppinion. Jester can do what he wants. I preffer to make my brushes myself without using other images or things created by other people, but that's just me. Who gives a shit? You guys spend too much time pondering the most retarded of unwritten rules. Why don't we just start stating in our battles things like "no downloaded brushes" or "must be made only in photoshop or with the aid of 3d program". And quit yer bitchin' in the show off's section.

Geez guys. Grow the hell up.

[SilentChaos]

And this is the place where I write something random like "taco's" and people write "lol" below it.

I'll skip that part.

well ten ill do it




hot dogs :P

well i dont no much about rippin so..ya

[Hellspire]

I already stated that as well *whistles* but still, what I say does have merit if you think about it. I am merely pointing out the difference. It is not the most 'retarded' of rules because it is in place to protect artists from getting their work stolen. I have already told Forsaken to revise the rule on ripping to the standard set by the determination of this thread (provided no one can offer a stronger argument that me--and none of you have said anything highly original). :coolguy:

[Swift]

Shut up Hellspire. Ripping is actually not illegal, plagiarism is, but you cant go into a court room: "He ripped my layout!"

Keep in mind we're dealing with minor things here, i doubt anyone will file a lawsuit for using their image, modifying it and make it very much different(which would pretty much nullify the lawsuit).

[Hellspire]

:lol: Ripping comes in all forms. I can ASSURE you that I have read of lawsuits against people who made imitation copies and sold them. Especially on copyrighted paintings. In terms of computer graphics, there is less restriction but in terms of open-source on scripts and stuff, the owner can ACTUALLY persecute if the open-source license is broken. For the THIRD time I will reitterate that I am merely connecting one to the other, and relatively speaking they CAN be if you consier using free images and downloaded brushes as 'open-source' so-to-speak. I am done with this conversation, I am growing bored with the lack of ideas.

[James]

Let me start by saying, LOL.

First off, something that amused me is how Forsaken refers to all of this.

Now to me the fact that anime images are out there for the purpose of us to use in our works or other reasons.

That is very untrue.. First off, anime images are for multimedial purposes, yet are very popular by people for using in custom made graphics. Anime images are to be concidered as any other image on the net, as they were also created by someone, ie the original creator of the anime, or the person who took the screenshots.

Also you seem to be wrapping your thoughts, since you say that anime images are used to be put in our works, but any image taken by photo or other peoples graphics and using them for your work is concidered ripping.. Well I once recall you using a picture of a wrestler in one of your graphics. In terms of ripping by you, wouldn't that mean your a ripper?

On the case of downloaded brushes, I don't have much purpose on since I don't use brushes. But if you go on deviant or anyother place that has brushes for you to download they clearly state that you may/can use for your work, as long as you don't call the brushes as your own. So he IS ripping, but then again he ISN'T.
1. Hes using someones elses work. - Ripping
2. He recieved an okay from the original creator to use, so in a way its like someone else is helping him with his work. - Not Ripping

Lol, thats the most I ever typed at once for awhile. :lol:

[Yusayoh]

I agree with James. If he has permission to use the downloaded brushes and not call them his own, he is not ripping. I think that if you use a copyrighted image without permission and calling it your own or selling it, it's ripping. Like Stevil said, state no downloaded brushes if you don't want any in it or no stock for no picture. I can't believe that this has become a huge issue.

[Jester]

1) Thank you to all who support me
2) I DONT USE DLED BRUSHES DAMMIT

[CK]

if u use a dled font your ripping

but if i take a picture or like took yusayohs pic and blured it and turned it into a brush your saying thats ripping

[Al3x]

If you download a font it aint ripping. They are free after all and for your use, thats like saying the fonts that come with the computer you can't use as the are owned by Microsoft or whoever.

[Nori]

if u use a dled font your ripping

Lol what. Downloading fonts is not ripping. If this were true basically everyone on this forum and every one that makes graphics that doesn't/can't make there own fonts would be ripping.

[Yusayoh]

This should be the same for brushes (unless, of course, you don't have permission to use them).

[James]

I think he ment to say that in other terms but I know where this is going.

Ripping can be thrown into many things now, and fonts would be like downloaded brushes. Someone else made it, and they're giving you permission to use it. One other thing I used to see was on some sites, "Premade 3D renders" like most of us make in 3dsm or cinema ect..

[Al3x]

Yup, and that would be cheating. Most of them are for wallpapaers but some people in the past have used them. I found them out and they were banned from the forum, now which forum was it again.

[CK]

We should post this on DF