Manga & Anime industry's anti-noncommercial-distribution campaign

[ger.kitsune]

As everybody should have already heard, there is an upcoming industry's campaign against community-rooted distribution of licensed manga and anime works in USA and Japan. As one of the 1st hosting sites, mangahelpers.com stopped hosting because of avoidance of legal pressure in licensing matters. How might this community deal with these events?
info e.g. at
http://mangahelpers.com (http://mangahelpers.com/)
http://www.mania.com/japanese-publishers-fight-back_article_123085.html
and many forums.

[artemis_]

lol..i don't even ever go to mangahelpers..well yeah..nice website to search for new manga..usually i use either Mangatraders or Baka-updates Manga...

btw, if those campaign real effective..it might be troubling..in worst case scenario, die-hard otaku might protest in both country as opposition like ever happen in Singapore when the government banned the download of licensed anime/manga.

and it's really terrifying coz Japan are manga and anime sources and most of hosting website(especiallyEnglish sub/scan) are based at US server..(sob)

[byakugan]

Well it is not upcoming it it happening now and been happening for quite some time...mangahelpers and mangafox have augmented traffic and content, Onemanga has had to change how they deal with Mature content

btw thats an interesting choice of words....lol...community-rooted distribution of licensed manga and anime works

meh, it was bound to happen sooner or later, stealing is stealing....OW will comply and take down everything if we are hit as well

[mrxpibb]

My group's stand on this is very simple: We'll produce a non-commercial version until they provide a commercial version.

Look, we just want to be able to effing read their stuff. Is that so wrong?

[Darksage]

Look, we just want to be able to effing read their stuff. Is that so wrong?
indeed

[artemis_]

meh, it was bound to happen sooner or later, stealing is stealing....OW will comply and take down everything if we are hit as well

(sob)..i dun wanna imagine if OW stripping on anime/manga..especially manga..guess the only choice if it's REALLY happen, could it be torrent..p2p ftw..LOL

My group's stand on this is very simple: We'll produce a non-commercial version until they provide a commercial version.

Look, we just want to be able to effing read their stuff. Is that so wrong?

that's how it goes since past few years..and some of title(licensed) is real hard to grab..i mean online archive..lol..

and my stand for this is..download it all..as soon as it's out..watch/read later..(:])

[Saurabhalab]

Look, we just want to be able to effing read their stuff. Is that so wrong?

actually it is.

[mrxpibb]

actually it is.

I'll pay for a translation. Until then, I'll download it.

[Darksage]

"Is that so wrong?"

yessir (lol)

[mrxpibb]

"Is that so wrong?"

yessir (lol)

It's legally wrong but I'm not so sure it's morally wrong.

[Darksage]

since when is stealing and editing only legally wrong...

[MiniMoose]

since when is stealing and editing only legally wrong...

If I could briefly sum up the internet, that there would be it.

[mrxpibb]

since when is stealing and editing only legally wrong...

Well, if you look at it that way (:])

We don't want to steal or edit their work but we have to in some cases. If there's not a version available to us, many of their readers, and there won't ever be -- such as licensees that quit on translating a series -- it's still illegal to provide a version of that.

If they're not going to make any money in the english-speaking world, why is it morally wrong to provide a free version of theirs? We're not stealing any money because there isn't any to steal. That's the case I'm making here.

[kastoob]

I'm just going to take your product of your labour, of which you would like to get paid for, and distribute it to everyone. Of course you wont get any money, but it's ok because I don't get any money either.

Are you ok with that?

[mrxpibb]

I'm just going to take your product of your labour, of which you would like to get paid for, and distribute it to everyone. Of course you wont get any money, but it's ok because I don't get any money either.

Are you ok with that?

Yes when there hasn't been any labor done. I mean, hell, no one would have read Elfen Lied since it was never translated into English.

[MiniMoose]

I think I get what mrxpibb is on about, it's all the manga and anime that never gets translated and released in our own countries. To be fair the only way they know we're even interested in all this stuff is because of the internet releases, unless you know japanese, it's kind of odd.

Granted, as far as I'm aware the majority of the manga/anime being pulled down is already published in the west, but there's still a lot of people who don't have this stuff available to them which I think is the highest cause of concern here.

I don't really read any manga, but as for anime, I already decided I would eventually buy most the stuff I've download... you know... when I'm rich, or DVDs are affordable and if the anime translation is decent.

[byakugan]

these are all rationalizations, which differ from factual arguments...we rationalize that it is okay...like i said before in this thread stealing is stealing unless you create a rationalization for it, which doesn't change the fact that it is stealing, just the reason for the theft

[mrxpibb]

these are all rationalizations, which differ from factual arguments...we rationalize that it is okay...like i said before in this thread stealing is stealing unless you create a rationalization for it, which doesn't change the fact that it is stealing, just the reason for the theft

Yes, but is it morally wrong?

[MiniMoose]

I was going to make a point about broadcasting shows on the internet so one would still earn money in a similar way to broadcasting on TV. But then I instantly realised this is already a popular thing to do world-wide. I'm aware some anime are exclusively released on the internet, but what about the big cash-cows like Naruto, is that released online for Japan? Is this related to how fansubs get their raws? Someone educated me!

[kastoob]

Yes when there hasn't been any labor done. I mean, hell, no one would have read Elfen Lied since it was never translated into English.

That response does not apply here as mangaka/animators go through labour in order to create the source material which ends up being bootlegged.
Just because it doesn't come in one's own language does not give one the right to get the material for free.
However I shall concede the following point: Some work will never make it to the west anyway, and the creators for those workers wont get any profit from wester audiences regardless.
This point will not stand for licensed work though.
I can also see the that some anime/manga is edited/censored by the western publishers to patent it for a different audience, but think of the creators, they get something when you purchase a more racially sensitive version of one-piece.