Hellspire
06/06/2005, 03:43 PM
Read this brief conversation. Not the best at proving my point that I have had in the past with people, but may be good for some of you out there...
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[14:01] Me: or you could just work for me
[14:01] Me: it all works
[14:01] Him: true*
[14:01] Him: i'll work for ya
[14:03] Him: as long as its something high up you know
[14:05] Me: :D
[14:06] Me: a lot of people will be working for me
[14:06] Me: swift and ck might
[14:06] Me: all depends.
[14:08] Him: i know but if its just some low job i have much better things to do. i spent 2 years being the lower person
[14:08] Me: the lower person in bad jobs
[14:08] Him: i always got the "content writer" or something like that
[14:09] Me: and what would you prefer doing?
[14:09] Me: is there really anything else but content writing and management?
[14:09] Me: xD
[14:09] Him: management
[14:10] Me: ah well
[14:10] Me: most sites use crappy inclusions
[14:10] Me: ?page=
[14:10] Me: so management is nonexistant beyond the ftp holder.
[14:11] Me: whereas a cms like what I'm designing has users who if given permission can post and manage their articles as well as the input from other users.
[14:11] Me: this solves the problem you face
[14:11] Him: my face
[14:11] Him: o
[14:11] Me: as it brings both aspects together
[14:11] Me: however, let us not confuse things (not in terms of us working but with the cms aspect)
[14:11] Me: content management still relies on administrators
[14:12] Me: even if the users get permissions
[14:12] Me: the role of amanger remains the province of the administrator regardless
[14:12] Him: im up anything
[14:12] Him: if i screw up once you can fire me
[14:13] Me: I see, but there is no job to fire you from
[14:13] Me: I'm talking about july here
[14:14] Me: anyway let me tell you something
[14:14] Me: I used to run bluexl with this guy
[14:14] Me: and I was right up there as co-webmaster
[14:14] Me: but regardless
[14:14] Me: it was still his site
[14:14] Me: and when he sold it
[14:14] Me: I got shit
[14:14] Me: after that
[14:14] Me: I refused EVER
[14:14] Me: to work for another site unless I got something out of it or I controlled it in some way
[14:15] Me: I wish to correct that for the people who work for me so as not for them to suffer the same fate
[14:15] Me: but I refuse to EVER work for someone.
[14:15] Him: well, %site-name-removed%
[14:15] Me: not saying the converse is the weak approach
[14:15] Me: but there you have it
[14:15] Him: i got a nothing out of it
[14:16] Him: all i ask is for some power over the site
[14:16] Me: well on my cms
[14:16] Me: there are normal users who can view and comment, participate in polls and surveys, and events, etc.
[14:16] Me: there are moderators who control this input from those users
[14:17] Me: there are managers who take content submitted, review and perfect and then add it
[14:17] Me: there are administrators who do all these tasks
[14:17] Me: much like a forum
[14:17] Him: i c
[14:17] Me: each user thus
[14:17] Me: can contribute
[14:17] Him: and what would i be
[14:18] Me: nevertheless the power is clearly divided and defined.
[14:18] Me: depends
[14:18] Me: to be a moderator you have to be someone I trust
[14:18] Me: to be a manager
[14:18] Me: the same as moderator but with a good content submission rating
[14:18] Him: do you trust me
[14:18] Me: to be a manager the same as both but with added foundation etc.
[14:19] Me: I do
[14:19] Me: so you can be either the moderator or manager
[14:19] Me: but you must submit content though ;)
[14:19] Him: i see
[14:19] Me: this raises the question
[14:19] Me: has anything actually changed for you
[14:19] Me: or rather, will change
[14:19] Him: but you realize that i need content for my site also
[14:20] Me: why open another site when you can work for an established one?
[14:20] Him: mines is purly design
[14:20] Him: but
[14:21] Him: if i get any anime content
[14:21] Him: i'll submit it
[14:21] Him: just teach me the ropes
[14:21] Me: it is not necessary to work for me
[14:21] Him: ?
[14:21] Me: you can just join the site (when it opens)
[14:21] Me: submit content and get promoted
[14:21] Me: or you can take the shortcut
[14:21] Me: works the same way
[14:21] Me: by the end of this year
[14:22] Me: i expect perhaps
[14:22] Me: um nvm
[14:23] Me: I think you see my point
[14:23] Me: ?
[14:23] Me: you don't have to sign yourself off as my employee right now
[14:23] Me: just keep it in mind when the time comes ;)
[14:24] Him: but would if i want to work for you? i have a feeling your site is going to be big, and i will like to be apart of it
[14:27] Him: you there
[14:28] Me: :D
[14:28] Me: it should be big
[14:29] Him: i hope so
[14:30] Him: hey, i gotta go eat lunch
[14:30] Him: can we talk about this more later?
[14:31] Me: anytime you wish
[14:31] Him: k
This conversation proves one thing. That equality among staff members is an illusion and always will be no-matter what. However, this can be avoiding using a CMS, such as PHPNuke or a custom made CMS like the one I am making. If some of you are wondering why working for other people never gets you anywhere this is because you are not in an equal relationship. If you are, I must say that you are either deluded or have the best partnership and more happiness to you! If not, please understand that as long as you work for other sites that contribute to an unequal partnership then you may eventually decide to create your own site that you control which puts you in power, but STILL disadvantages others.
Understand this, and don't make the same mistake that people have been making for years. You will not succeed with sites unless you and all your staff are equal in some respect. As my point in the conversation suggests, even though a CMS resolves this issue with a member system and posting abilities, there is still the issue of inequality. Inequality can NEVER be solved in my opinion; however, that doesn't mean that you should go out and make another site that will only do the same things to others. Remember this doesn't happen with all sites, only those that have content that multiple staff members submit in someway.
Hope this helps those of you out there. If I ever find my old conversations I will post them here.
***
[14:01] Me: or you could just work for me
[14:01] Me: it all works
[14:01] Him: true*
[14:01] Him: i'll work for ya
[14:03] Him: as long as its something high up you know
[14:05] Me: :D
[14:06] Me: a lot of people will be working for me
[14:06] Me: swift and ck might
[14:06] Me: all depends.
[14:08] Him: i know but if its just some low job i have much better things to do. i spent 2 years being the lower person
[14:08] Me: the lower person in bad jobs
[14:08] Him: i always got the "content writer" or something like that
[14:09] Me: and what would you prefer doing?
[14:09] Me: is there really anything else but content writing and management?
[14:09] Me: xD
[14:09] Him: management
[14:10] Me: ah well
[14:10] Me: most sites use crappy inclusions
[14:10] Me: ?page=
[14:10] Me: so management is nonexistant beyond the ftp holder.
[14:11] Me: whereas a cms like what I'm designing has users who if given permission can post and manage their articles as well as the input from other users.
[14:11] Me: this solves the problem you face
[14:11] Him: my face
[14:11] Him: o
[14:11] Me: as it brings both aspects together
[14:11] Me: however, let us not confuse things (not in terms of us working but with the cms aspect)
[14:11] Me: content management still relies on administrators
[14:12] Me: even if the users get permissions
[14:12] Me: the role of amanger remains the province of the administrator regardless
[14:12] Him: im up anything
[14:12] Him: if i screw up once you can fire me
[14:13] Me: I see, but there is no job to fire you from
[14:13] Me: I'm talking about july here
[14:14] Me: anyway let me tell you something
[14:14] Me: I used to run bluexl with this guy
[14:14] Me: and I was right up there as co-webmaster
[14:14] Me: but regardless
[14:14] Me: it was still his site
[14:14] Me: and when he sold it
[14:14] Me: I got shit
[14:14] Me: after that
[14:14] Me: I refused EVER
[14:14] Me: to work for another site unless I got something out of it or I controlled it in some way
[14:15] Me: I wish to correct that for the people who work for me so as not for them to suffer the same fate
[14:15] Me: but I refuse to EVER work for someone.
[14:15] Him: well, %site-name-removed%
[14:15] Me: not saying the converse is the weak approach
[14:15] Me: but there you have it
[14:15] Him: i got a nothing out of it
[14:16] Him: all i ask is for some power over the site
[14:16] Me: well on my cms
[14:16] Me: there are normal users who can view and comment, participate in polls and surveys, and events, etc.
[14:16] Me: there are moderators who control this input from those users
[14:17] Me: there are managers who take content submitted, review and perfect and then add it
[14:17] Me: there are administrators who do all these tasks
[14:17] Me: much like a forum
[14:17] Him: i c
[14:17] Me: each user thus
[14:17] Me: can contribute
[14:17] Him: and what would i be
[14:18] Me: nevertheless the power is clearly divided and defined.
[14:18] Me: depends
[14:18] Me: to be a moderator you have to be someone I trust
[14:18] Me: to be a manager
[14:18] Me: the same as moderator but with a good content submission rating
[14:18] Him: do you trust me
[14:18] Me: to be a manager the same as both but with added foundation etc.
[14:19] Me: I do
[14:19] Me: so you can be either the moderator or manager
[14:19] Me: but you must submit content though ;)
[14:19] Him: i see
[14:19] Me: this raises the question
[14:19] Me: has anything actually changed for you
[14:19] Me: or rather, will change
[14:19] Him: but you realize that i need content for my site also
[14:20] Me: why open another site when you can work for an established one?
[14:20] Him: mines is purly design
[14:20] Him: but
[14:21] Him: if i get any anime content
[14:21] Him: i'll submit it
[14:21] Him: just teach me the ropes
[14:21] Me: it is not necessary to work for me
[14:21] Him: ?
[14:21] Me: you can just join the site (when it opens)
[14:21] Me: submit content and get promoted
[14:21] Me: or you can take the shortcut
[14:21] Me: works the same way
[14:21] Me: by the end of this year
[14:22] Me: i expect perhaps
[14:22] Me: um nvm
[14:23] Me: I think you see my point
[14:23] Me: ?
[14:23] Me: you don't have to sign yourself off as my employee right now
[14:23] Me: just keep it in mind when the time comes ;)
[14:24] Him: but would if i want to work for you? i have a feeling your site is going to be big, and i will like to be apart of it
[14:27] Him: you there
[14:28] Me: :D
[14:28] Me: it should be big
[14:29] Him: i hope so
[14:30] Him: hey, i gotta go eat lunch
[14:30] Him: can we talk about this more later?
[14:31] Me: anytime you wish
[14:31] Him: k
This conversation proves one thing. That equality among staff members is an illusion and always will be no-matter what. However, this can be avoiding using a CMS, such as PHPNuke or a custom made CMS like the one I am making. If some of you are wondering why working for other people never gets you anywhere this is because you are not in an equal relationship. If you are, I must say that you are either deluded or have the best partnership and more happiness to you! If not, please understand that as long as you work for other sites that contribute to an unequal partnership then you may eventually decide to create your own site that you control which puts you in power, but STILL disadvantages others.
Understand this, and don't make the same mistake that people have been making for years. You will not succeed with sites unless you and all your staff are equal in some respect. As my point in the conversation suggests, even though a CMS resolves this issue with a member system and posting abilities, there is still the issue of inequality. Inequality can NEVER be solved in my opinion; however, that doesn't mean that you should go out and make another site that will only do the same things to others. Remember this doesn't happen with all sites, only those that have content that multiple staff members submit in someway.
Hope this helps those of you out there. If I ever find my old conversations I will post them here.