"One Nation Under God"?

[DarkMagicianGrl]

The pledge of allegience in the United States:

I pledge allegience,
To the flag,
Of the United States of America,
And to the Republic for which it stands,
One Nation,
Under God
Indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

This is said by thousands of school kids each morning. But, is there something wrong with having "one nation under God" in it? All school kids are taught to say it, every line of it, but some do not believe in God or have different views of Him. Many people have begun to have problems with this line being in the Pledge of Allegience and have begun to protest it. What do you think? Should it be taken out, or left in?

[James]

Yes. Why? Fuck god.

Honestly I could care less about even saying the rest of it. Just wasting my life each day.

[Jester]

dude, i dont see a problem. its greedy foreigners trying to get some cash here because they're tired of doing landscaping or owning a laundrymat.

[Swift]

I'm a christian, and naturally all people of other religions should be converted.

Kidding. I am a christian but I still I refuse to say that line. It's unfair, especially considering the vast diverity of the united states.

James: Fuck you. Next time you say something so insulting to a subject such as religion I'll ban you for a week or more.

Jester: What's wrong with foreigner's seeking a better life? If history is correct, the United States is what is because people migrated in search of a better life.

[James]

I'm a christian, and naturally all people of other religions should be converted.

Kidding. I am a christian but I still I refuse to say that line. It's unfair, especially considering the vast diverity of the united states.

James: Fuck you. Next time you say something so insulting to a subject such as religion I'll ban you for a week or more.

Jester: What's wrong with foreigner's seeking a better life? If history is correct, the United States is what is because people migrated in search of a better life.
I'm sorry. (Personal things have gone wrong in my life for me believing there is no god.. so, I deleted my post)

[Nori]

Only reason that line is in the pledge is because this country was brought up under Christianity. I don't exactly have a problem with under God, but ofcourse thats just me.

[Xanadu]

i dont have a problem with it at all but i can see why ppl would get upset about, but its not like ur gonna get bitch slaped if u dont say the pledge.

[Digispirit Virus]

i really don't care whether or not that line is there. To tell the truth, i really don't seem to understand what the pledge is for. If you don't say it does it mean you're not loyal to america or something? or is it just a tradition?

[Sharingan]

when england dominated the world *cough america aswell* the same thing was said but like uk with it, this was 100 years ago. but now in england we dont say shit, im not loyal to the queen or tonyblair. i live here because i want to lol.
at school we dont say that shit. 80 percent of uk dont care about the english monarchy, but one thing is why do yo americans say this. and the pledge part sounds like SOME REAL ARSE SUCKING UP TO HIS COUNTRY it dont matter to me if you say it or not, in my opinion every one is allowed there say.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

eh..my bad. and now that i feel like an idiot.... i personally dont think it should be taken out. if people have a problem with it then they can just choose not to say it. i actually kinda think the pledge has lost its signifigance but thats just me.

[Rock Solid]

eh..my bad. and now that i feel like an idiot.... i personally dont think it should be taken out. if people have a problem with it then they can just choose not to say it. i actually kinda think the pledge has lost its signifigance but thats just me.

I kinda think so too. but of course I have gotten used to saying it so I don't mind if it would stay or be taken out. and plus I think it might have lost it's significance also. maybe they could make a new one. maybe make it say "one nation under the people".

[Nori]

How is the nation going to be under the people?

[CK]

hahahahahahaha


hahahahahah one nation under W
thats what it should be




im kidding and i hope you all know this


but no i dont think it should be taken out

[borge6]

I think it realy dosent matter i mean comon your talking to a flag. Is it supose to matter what you say? freedom of pseech people.Then again i realy couldent say i wouldent know how the people feel.

[Mystic-Spirit]

I'm sorry. (Personal things have gone wrong in my life for me believing there is no god.. so, I deleted my post)

They should keep the line,like it or not cristianity was a part of american history.

its like saying greek mythology should be kicked out of the movie Troy.

[Rock Solid]

plus it is kinda funny that we talk to a flag I guess.....I guess it would be kinda hard to come up with a new line that most people will like/dislike.

[Stevil]

I think we should just stop being forced to say the pledge. Mainly because over half of the people that live in this country are not dedicated to it, and wouldn't pledge allegiance anyways. The government just wants to brain wash us so when we turn 18 we'll join the military and fight over sea's for pointless oil wars so that people like George Bush can get more cash.
Also, leave the "Under God" in. As Spirit said, christianity is part of American history, weither we like it or not.
Out of curiosity, how many of us would bitch like this if it was a muslum country instead? I'm sure less of us would give a damn. Christian or not, what's so wrong with saying "One Nation Under God". This nation was founded under God, weither he exists or doesn't. It's been the pledge for a long-ass time now. On top of that, what does everyone have against christians? What have they ever done to us? Yeah, they're a little odd, but compared to any other religion, they're not that bad at all. And they don't go around killing people, or anything.
I vote we should leave it in, and stop giving a damn about the petty-est of things.

[Stephine]

I think it should stay in. true there are many people who don't say the pledge but either way our 4 fathers thought it was important and the only reason they left England was to practice freedom of religion. Besides it could be any God.

[Stevil]

Well, technically they were reffering to one in perticular, but yeah, I suppose it could be any, depending on who's saying the pledge.

[CK]

one nation under budah


dont give anyone this idea stephine stevil is right they were refering to one god

[Stevil]

No no, I think you're on to something. One nation under buddha is sexy soundin'!

[Stephine]

O.O...um...I think one nation under God sounds perfect. Under buddah is....weird. I ment like if you say one nation under God people can think of it as their own.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

"one nation under *insert proper religious leader here* "

[borge6]

One nation under borge6 has a nice ring to it dosent it. :poketoung

[Stephine]

LOL. keep dreaming bordge6. I think if we all said a different 'leader' type thing it would sound very odd.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

yea it would...but it would make people happy...well some. cause if you did that, then the people who want "god" to be left in would have a s**t fit and such. in this case, as in most, theres no way to make everyone happy

[Stephine]

That's true you can't make everyone happy. Thought I still think Under God should be kept in. It's the way it was made and it's the way it should stay.

[Stevil]

"one brain washed nation under president bush"

[Stephine]

LOL. If that's how it was I couldn't say the pledge without laughing.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

hmm...i like Stevils idea...its very truthful

[Stephine]

He's not that bad but still makes very bad descions! The war would probably be over all ready

[CK]

"one nation under *insert proper religious leader here* "
i think your on to somthing

[Stephine]

It does seem good but would we really be one nation if were all saying someting different?

[DarkMagicianGrl]

yes we would. were all just different in our own way and saying somethinh such as that would just prove it further.

[CK]

It does seem good but would we really be one nation if were all saying someting different?
we need conisum

we need a king

[Stephine]

The last time we had a king it turned into a revalutionary war.

[Stevil]

He's not that bad but still makes very bad descions! The war would probably be over all ready
Yeah, I just plain don't like him. And it's not because it's a fad to hate the president or anything, it's just because he's a liar. I don't care if he blows the heads off a million afgans, but he lies out the ass.

[Nori]

The last time we had a king it turned into a revalutionary war.

What, when did we have a king? o_O

[Stevil]

What, when did we have a king? o_O

England, yo.

[Stephine]

Yeah it was England. It was like in the 1700s I think...Can't remember the time

[Stevil]

10 pts!!!

[Stephine]

10 pts!!!

What?

[Stevil]

Yeah it was England.

Almost sounded like a gameshow.

[Stephine]

LOL. Yeah it kinda did now that i look at it. Anyway if we had a king that would kinda get rid of our freedom if we have a king ruling over us.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Bush gives us freedom...but not a whole hell of alot..heh sorry..i dont like Bush for quite a few reasons

[Stevil]

We should have a goverment that's almost anarchy, but still keeps us from complete chaos. Keeping murderers, rapists, and theives in jail.

[Stephine]

That's a good idea there. Those people should stay in jail. I like that idea.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

i think that people in jail should be treatedas criminals! they have a fairly easy life in jail. they get fed deccent food and they can get an education as well...i just see something wrong with that when poor people who have done nothing wrong are out on the street starving

[Stevil]

i think that people in jail should be treatedas criminals! they have a fairly easy life in jail. they get fed deccent food and they can get an education as well...i just see something wrong with that when poor people who have done nothing wrong are out on the street starving

They're poor cuz they're lazy and won't get a job.
Criminals may have it somewhat easy, but they're as long as they're locked up in a place where I don't have to live with them, I don't care how they're treated. They can't harm me, so I don't care if they're harmed.

Though some people deserve harsher death penalties then currently given.

[Stephine]

They have it easy! jeez they should use all that stuff to help those poor people not treat criminals as royalty almost!

[DarkMagicianGrl]

yes but with the economy the way it is and with jobs so scarce....they dont really have a say in it.

i just find it sick that they can earn a college degree while in jail for a crime...

[Stephine]

True true...well I guess if they want a degree I guess their bad side is going away. It can happen.

[Nori]

Yeah it was England. It was like in the 1700s I think...Can't remember the time

Oh I thought you was talking about America. I was like wtf did I miss somethin' o_O :lol:

[DarkMagicianGrl]

she was...when England had control over the 13 colonies we had a king.... i do believe thats what she was talking about

[CK]

Bush gives us freedom...but not a whole hell of alot..heh sorry..i dont like Bush for quite a few reasons
explain please?

[DarkMagicianGrl]

explain which part?

[Stephine]

she was...when England had control over the 13 colonies we had a king.... i do believe thats what she was talking about
Yes that was what I was talking about. He was some phsyco control freak.

[Mystic-Spirit]

ok to clear things up.

we need conisum

we need a king

you mean Parliamentary democracy.

communism is like cuba,china,etc. and we wouldn't really be free with a communist country them.

Stephine

Bush has done more damage then you realise..

Dmg Under God is perfect,ill say this once and again:Cristianity is part of AMERICAN History,if it was Budha that was part of american history then it would be under budha..this is how it should stay FOREVER.because most of americ is christian or catholic,the rest a different religion.again its like taking the israleum religon out of isreal...

[Stephine]

I agree with you 100% mystic-spirit.

[Yuna]

I agree as well. Under God is more then perfect. That's the way it was made and it's the way it should stay.

[Mystic-Spirit]

thank you Yuna,and stephine.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

i dont see anything wrong with it. and if people do, they can simply choose not to say the line...

[Lomesir22]

I support it all the way, as I'm a born-again Christian. But whatever, that doesn't fly with some people, so I'll actually come up with something substantial to all those skeptics.

People claim that "Under God" is a phrase meant to oppress and discriminate against people who don't believe in a god or gods. Monotheistics are "pushing" beliefs on others. But then again, removing it, along with school prayer and the like, is pushing their beliefs on the theistics.

You must remember, the Pledge was written more than 100 years ago, back when the country was *much* more religious than it is now. And it wasn't actually written as a pledge. It was a poem published in a youth magazine. It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist.

You see, the original pledge didn't mention a god. It went like this: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'

He considered putting ""equality" in there somewhere, but the general population was against equality for women and African Americans. Later on, the Knights of Columbus inserted 'Under God" to the Pledge, making it a public prayer as well as a patriotic oath.

So, as times went on, people's opinions on God changed. The world became *way* more liberal. The church lost its status. Howard Stern was born. But the nation under God remained.

If you can't decide what to do, say the damn pledge, because you are (probably) a citizen of this great country, but don't say "Under God". It's just 5 seconds of your day, and no one is going to line you up against a wall and shoot you because didn't say the pledge.

Like they've been known to do in Iran, where they chant "Aag Baag Amrika!" (Death to America!)

It kinda makes you glad to live here, huh?

[SpitFire]

well i dont really want them to, im christian, but i can tell you, a LOT of people in my school want it to be taken ot and refuse to say it, since theyre another religion......




the point is, i voted "NO"!

[Darksage]

First of all, the "One nation" part can stay.

Secondly, either Lomesir22 or Cekhma Bakura posted a thread here I'll find the link later explaining that we need more religion in our lives.

Plus this country was started by the Puritans who came here for religious freedom so naturally they mentioned God

[Darksage]

Aye, that's true, but the Puritans WERE extreme Protestants (which is why every president was a protestant [except JFK but look where it got him] )

I am not even sure if they intended to give everyone religious freedom.

[Darksage]

How true. . .

it's not even like people are forced to say it or even put their right hand over their heart. All you HAVE to do is stand up (which I am sure many dont do anyway.)

[Mystic-Spirit]

excactly,people complain that they dont feel free and crap,but its not about that its for respect...

[KrypticInsanity]

I actually got expelled from one school when I was in HS for refusing to say it. Get it out, it has no place in there.

[Darksage]

That is complete bullshit. they can't do that to you. all you HAVE to do is stand up during the Pledge, they can't force you to say it. That's not rught. . .

[KrypticInsanity]

I stood up and said the whole thing except for that line (which I sat back down for). Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against christians in general (have quite a few probs with most of the ones I know but that's because they're hypocrites) but I don't feel religion has any place in a school and never has since they seperated church and state which they should have done alot sooner.

[Mystic-Spirit]

christianity was a part of american history that is why it is in the pledge,even if you are not christian you still should say it for respect,i bowe to the japanese flag everytime in my martial arts class,does that mean im buhdas or with a cult?..no it is to show respect,it is how it is,yes this is known as a free country and all with multiple relgion,BUT it was also founded by christianity as the main religion..

[Darksage]

That's perfectly true. I failed to realize that. Makes perfect sense.

[Mystic-Spirit]

thank you darksage. ;)

[KrypticInsanity]

True morality is an important thing to be taught however the teaching of it does not require religion. Also depending on the religion using it to do so can have quite the opposite effect if not done carefully, ie killing is wrong...unless the people your killing don't believe in your god. There are many examples throughout history of this happening and being sanctioned by the religion involved...the crusades, the more recient 9/11 attack and may others in various cultures...Granted some would say that only fanatics would use such methods yet they're still quite common. Wouldn't it be safer rather then risking such an extremeist reaction to teach morality in more simple ways rather then rely on religion as a tool to do so?

[Darksage]

But people, come on. It's just 2 words, 3 syllables, not even 1 second of your day and not even every day of your life. if you want to protest do it silently. After 9/11 Nothing about nationalism or the government is going to be changed.

[Stephine]

That's true.

If you don't want to say it then show respect and stand up. You don't have to say anything.

[Mystic-Spirit]

That's true.

If you don't want to say it then show respect and stand up. You don't have to say anything.

somebody give her a medal she got it right in the bullseye.

[Darksage]

I know she said the same thing I did. You don't have to say anything. You do have to stand up though.

[Mystic-Spirit]

you both were right,but it wouldn't hurt to say the line.if you listen to the pledge it would say about the history,etc.the first settlers here believed in christianity.Our religion has priest,budha has monks(im sorry if im hurting anyone by using them as an example,i dont know much about other religion as much i know just more bits and pieces of this one.)so kicking out the line from the pledge,then you'd might aswell kick out the priest,cause its like saying we weren't built around this religion.

[Darksage]

Eh? I really don't get what you mean can you rephrase it?

[Mystic-Spirit]

..ok our country is built around Christianity,it is us's main religion the religion has Priest,budhas has monks.Taking out the line from the pledge is like getting rid of our main religion,since its apart of american history.