Time

[Stephine]

My family was debating on this for awhile so I thought I would put it here to see what you people think.

If God didn't speak to Abraham for 15 years how long would that be in God's timing if a 1000 years is but a day to God.

is it 5 hours?

[CK]

There is no way we could ever awnser this.
Im sorry to say this but there is much we dont
understand about god and it will always be that way

[Stevil]

Use a calculator, or ask a math teacher.

[Mystic-Spirit]

agreed can't really answer your question there are unexplainable things in the world..some believe Science explains all,some religion finds the answer and yet some things science cannot explain,but im not gonna tell all about that.

[Stevil]

Yes, but this seems like more of a mathmatical question.

[Mystic-Spirit]

yeah im not much in the mood to use math right now..

[CK]

Yes, but this seems like more of a mathmatical question.
wtf stevil theres no way

100 years = x


x represents time in heaven


tell me what time in heaven is


edit:Fine i got my bible out to awnser this question,
there is no time in heaven read the first verse in in the old testament then ill discuss this with you.

[Hellspire]

Here is something that may trigger some conflicting emotions.

Death is the end of life, and "supposedly" your soul survives this to either be damned or rewarded, then it follows that as time is indefinate in heaven, and there is no return to life, then the state of the mind encompassing the whole life and whether or not this "heaven" or "hell" applies as an indefinate. We can then conclude that the ellapsed time that a person may spend in either heaven or hell would be equal to the amount of time the "soul" entertains itself with the notion. Afterwhich, the soul ceases to be because of lack on interest and dissipitates or seeks a way to become life again.

There is an answer to your question.

As to the metaphoric nature of the soul, heaven and hell, humans who try to interpret the word of god simply state that this time is indefinate or at least beyond our comprehension. There would also be no way to determine the ratio between the two. Thus it would probably be in the relation of 1/i ^ i/1 which negates itself.

[Stevil]

wtf stevil theres no way

100 years = x


x represents time in heaven


tell me what time in heaven is

I think you read the question wrong.

[CK]

If God didn't speak to Abraham for 15 years how long would that be in God's timing if a 1000 years is but a day to God.

is it 5 hours?


this was the question

[Hellspire]

Ah, I must have missed that. I thought it was a theoretical question. If he/she is seeking a definate answers this is a complex formula. It involves picking a starting point, (preferably on a leap year so as to account for differntiation, amount of total days finding the hours in those, then creating a ratio of the two to determine the difference. Also recall that the hours in a day is 24.3 or something like that.

The iffy parts occur with the starting date and leap year differentiation. Also accounting for the shift of the Earths revolution over the past 4.6 billion years to account for shift and to convert to a universal standard in relation to the big bang, and where the universe began (perhaps this would be the 'when god created the heavens') also accounting for anomolies.

I believe estimating would be crazy.... but my guess would be about 0.0431ms.. 5 hours is WAYYYYY too long.


The 15 years of Abraham is a token but is not a definate source for an answer.

[Stevil]

Ck, I think you just divide 15 into 1000, or something to that extent.

[Hellspire]

Hah... that is really funny Stevil, good luck with that.

[CK]

i already told you read the first verse then ill talk to you

[Hellspire]

Ck, the discussion has passed from that after you said it (and after I posted something totally unrelated because I misread) to how theoretically the ratio of time between an unknown variable and a differntiating one that is not of equal measure to the other (considering that if heaven is out of this solar system it would not be subject to the same time periods) etc etc.

[Yusayoh]

Ok so 1000 x 365 = 365000 x 365 = 133225000 (days in a year to god) = 1 year to god
133225000 x 15 = 1998375000 days to god or 5475000 years to god. Holy Jesus!

[CK]

not exactly but hell gets my point with out some verse

[Stephine]

Ok so 1000 x 365 = 365000 x 365 = 133225000 (days in a year to god) = 1 year to god
133225000 x 15 = 1998375000 days to god or 5475000 years to god. Holy Jesus!

0.0 um...I think your off...Let me get the answer on how we estimated it and see if that does something. I just put this this on here cause one of my family members was getting a day and a half while the rest of us were saying five hours. Okay hold on one moment while i figure this out...jeez I'm out of school and here I am doing math

[Hellspire]

Please read my last response again.... I am not wrong about that. If you put it into Earth time then you would have to know the conversion to universal time which you don't... as such anything you come up with is most definately wrong. Furthermore, it would follow that our time would be slower than Gods. However, please go on with your incorrect estimations if it makes you feel better. There are just too many unknowns involving conversion which is highly dependant on knowing where heaven is located and how their time works in relation to universal or Earth time.

[Stephine]

No one knows if Gods time is faster or slower then ours. How do you know that your right when there is clearly no correct answer?

[Stephine]

Ah, I must have missed that. I thought it was a theoretical question. If he/she is seeking a definate answers this is a complex formula. It involves picking a starting point, (preferably on a leap year so as to account for differntiation, amount of total days finding the hours in those, then creating a ratio of the two to determine the difference. Also recall that the hours in a day is 24.3 or something like that.

The iffy parts occur with the starting date and leap year differentiation. Also accounting for the shift of the Earths revolution over the past 4.6 billion years to account for shift and to convert to a universal standard in relation to the big bang, and where the universe began (perhaps this would be the 'when god created the heavens') also accounting for anomolies.

I believe estimating would be crazy.... but my guess would be about 0.0431ms.. 5 hours is WAYYYYY too long.


The 15 years of Abraham is a token but is not a definate source for an answer.

we were just tossing out ideas knowing that there is no exact formula, but we had just found this in the Christian Bible.

2 Peter 3:8 (ESV)
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


So a thousand years to us is a day to God.
We estimated Five hours by 365 days as a GUID. Thanks for your estimation though.

[Swift]

But a day is also a thousand years. none of it is literal, all of it is symbolic and meaphoric.

[Hellspire]

Yes, highly metaphoric.... all that proves is that if you are with God that time is meaningless...

This is one of the reasons that God is a psychological tool used to control masses through ideas, doctrines, and through appointed (or self-appointed) "servants" or "messangers" of God. Because it is an idea, and it can be spread so easily this way, time becomes meaningless..

Although, my point prior was that if God did indeed exist in a material plane, then estimating it like that is almost imposibble depending on the unknown factors of distance and conversions to universal time (and of the obvious problems as to when that should be). An example of this, is the creation of UNIX time to allow for easier time trackers across servers located at multiple points in GMT and the back-conversions to localized time. :sigh: