Discipline and Punishment

[TaCktiX]

What is the relationship between the two? How much punishment will incur the correct amount of discipline? When is discipline hurt by repeated punishment?

I'll post my thoughts later.

[dukeofyo90]

its entirely situational. the ratio of punishment/discipline is entirely different for every event, for every person, and changes as time does.

example: i grew up in a house that is very heavy on morals. thus, when i do something of 'questionable morality', most of the discipline is self-incurred.

however, there are people who actually require physical reprimand to understand duscipline.

very deep idea.

[Swift]

This topic reminds of all the asian assholes out there. Many of my asian friends were constantlly beat and still suffer from it. Most of them were forced to learn multiplication by the age of four(I learned by myself at four, without punishment). And they're smart alright, but most of them are fucked up socially.

Many of them are so fucked up. I mean, they're fucking afraid of their parents. One of my friends brother(around 11 years old) won't ask his parent's for anything, afraid of being yelled at or beat. And the older brother(my friend) is constantly being forced to use his own money only how his parents wish. He had a $100 dollars and was plannign to buy a gamecube and was forced top buy a new gameboy for his brother. Which fucking sucks, cause the dad makes around 100K a year.

The parents being so strict, have absolutely no regards for the child's happiness, more the child's future. That little brother, I told to stop using a roller backpack when he got into a 7-12 school, and when he asked his parents they yelled at him. Roller backpacks at my school is liek a sign yelling out torture me.

It just sickens me.

[TaCktiX]

For me, at least, only so much punishment will contribute to my discipline. Punishment can only suggest, not require. If I don't want to, I won't discipline myself accordingly. Yes, I'm very strong-willed.

In a general sense, in my view, discipline cannot occur without some incentive to do so. For some, the mere verbal suggestion is enough. For others, physical punishment, like pushups, is needed. For a select few, like myself, physical punishment can do more to incline AGAINST disciplining oneself. Logic and reasoning can also determine whether or not punishment needs to happen in the first place. I consider myself cynically logical, so whether it is prudent to apply the requested discipline is purely up to my breakdown of things.

At the root of it, it's elemental reinforcement. Bad actions get a negative reaction, good actions get a positive one. In a way, we're just as programmable as lab rats, though willpower makes a big difference.