Wicca

[DarkMagicianGrl]

I got the idea from the "Religious" thread.

So...to many Wicca is seen as a religion just as Christianity and others but others think otherwise calling it fake and such. Just wondering what ya'll think of it.

[Rev]

um whats wicca?

[Rock Solid]

isn't wicca like gothic? that wican chick on a scooby doo cartoon movie i saw. she was cool.....

[Mystic-Spirit]

um whats wicca?

http://www.answers.com/wicca

It mentions witchcraft in the definition I don't think anything that has to do with Witchcraft is a branch of Christianity.

[Rock Solid]

so basically they believe in a mother goddess. and it did start from christianity somewhat. prechristian. and it does somewhat have to do with witchcraft. or male witch-wicca

[.GalerianRion.]

Wow, I didn't think many people knew about Wicca or cared. Wicca is often looked down upon as satanic, (while some of it -is-), alot of Wicca that I've studied is based upon helping yourself and others around you, banishing negative feelings and protecting yourself, such as that.

[Rev]

lol theres a difference between religion and cult

[.GalerianRion.]

did I say cult? ._O

[Mystic-Spirit]

Actually nvm I read a little further there confused for witches and stuff...Dang I don't really know what to think.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Wow, I didn't think many people knew about Wicca or cared. Wicca is often looked down upon as satanic, (while some of it -is-), alot of Wicca that I've studied is based upon helping yourself and others around you, banishing negative feelings and protecting yourself, such as that.
Yes...I hate it when people think its totally evil and such....such narrowmindedness. I only know of "peaceful" Wicca.

[Rock Solid]

yeah wicca doesn't really sound like it is evil. but it really isn't. it's not like they sacrifice people or raise the dead.

[Rev]

yea but i still hate this kinda satanic bullshit

(i may be wrong about it but from what ive seen it looks kinda satanic to me)

[DarkMagicianGrl]

You are quite wrong indeed to make such a judgement.

[Rev]

tell me how im wrong then, i mean do these people acutally belive they can do magic?

[DarkMagicianGrl]

There is much much more to Wicca than what people are always saying. It gets such a bad rep because a few people think its cool and make a bad name for it. And its not exactly so much "magic" really

[Rev]

i mean if magic was real i would take up on it without a seconds hesitation. but these people are all beliveing in some stupid fary tale, you cant atually do this stuff

[Rock Solid]

that would be cool though if they practiced magic. I want to be one if they do. I will be a "good" wicca. I will save the world from evil. I believe in 'magic' just as much as I believe in the world being flat. if people can have psychic abilities and levitate that would be awesome. or telekinesis. but there is a thin line there.

[.GalerianRion.]

Yes...I hate it when people think its totally evil and such....such narrowmindedness. I only know of "peaceful" Wicca.


Aye, I know what you mean, I've only known of the [peaceful], [helpful], [white-witch (healing] kind of Wicca. Though, as for narrowminds, I doubt that will ever change...which is saddening x_@

[.GalerianRion.]

i mean if magic was real i would take up on it without a seconds hesitation. but these people are all beliveing in some stupid fary tale, you cant atually do this stuff


Forgive me for double post, really, I don't mean to but this caught my attention



There's a difference between "stage" magic, and spiritual magick. If your Christian, you believe in god, well couldn't you call that "magic", faith? That's "magic", spiritually. (My family is Christian, so don't think I'm bashing it! I'm not)

I'm just saying, what you describe is more of "stage" magick, not what Wicca is.

[Rev]

do you people know magic is nothing more than a fairytale. i hate this cult because they keep thinking they can do all this stuff when they cant. i mean some people will books or see shows making them think oh magic looks cool (which it does) but there never was such thing as magic and there never will be. its like dragons and unicorns just a bunch of bs. then these people go on trying to do this type of stuff just wasting away there time in some stupid belif, this is real life there are no mermaids or cemitars or any of that shit including magic

EDIT:i dont mean for you to take this post harshly but there are some things humans cant do

and about galerons last post, i dont really care if you dont like christanity or anything (im lutheran) if my religion can be proven wrong i will gladly move on, i dont really care about religion and dont really belive much of anything(i need proof of some things)

[Rock Solid]

do you people know magic is nothing more than a fairytale. i hate this cult because they keep thinking they can do all this stuff when they cant. i mean some people will books or see shows making them think oh magic looks cool (which it does) but there never was such thing as magic and there never will be. its like dragons and unicorns just a bunch of bs. then these people go on trying to do this type of stuff just wasting away there time in some stupid belif, this is real life there are no mermaids or cemitars or any of that shit including magic
hey....there could be mermaids or unicorns on other planets and all that other good stuff. it is feasible.

[.GalerianRion.]

do you people know magic is nothing more than a fairytale. i hate this cult because they keep thinking they can do all this stuff when they cant. i mean some people will books or see shows making them think oh magic looks cool (which it does) but there never was such thing as magic and there never will be. its like dragons and unicorns just a bunch of bs. then these people go on trying to do this type of stuff just wasting away there time in some stupid belif, this is real life there are no mermaids or cemitars or any of that shit including magic


I don't know where you got the idea of where Wicca is the belief of "fairy tale" magick, but it's certainly not. While true, there are alot of people that give off the impression that it is what you call "fairy-tale" magick....I take a bit of offense hearing you say that, being as you've got it wrong.

Though I have no doubt that some people take up Wicca because they believe they can do -fairy-tale- magick.

[Rev]

hey....there could be mermaids or unicorns on other planets and all that other good stuff. it is feasible.
key word is could, also we dont really know if theres life on other planets. i also think life would be more interesting if there was magic and mermaids and all that shit but things are just this way and we have to accept things the way they are

[Rock Solid]

key word is could, also we dont really know if theres life on other planets. i also think life would be more interesting if there was magic and mermaids and all that shit but things are just this way and we have to accept things the way they are
here are some quotes of Arthur C. Clarke.
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[Rev]

yea but if there was magic or somthing like it i think it would be discovered by now. and if someone belives that here is some magic or somthing like it show me proff and i might belive it

[.GalerianRion.]

Stage magick -has- been discovered :D but then again, this thread isn't about making people believe in the topic, but to just discuss it in your own opinion ._O

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Aye, I know what you mean, I've only known of the [peaceful], [helpful], [white-witch (healing] kind of Wicca. Though, as for narrowminds, I doubt that will ever change...which is saddening x_@

It wont...there are too many people who are set in their ways and ready to call the first person who does something different "evil." -_-

and its not magic as in the kind from Harry Potter and such Rev

EDIT: And I too take a bit offsense to your believing its "fairy tale" like

[Rock Solid]

as in "magic" I think of it as being advanced technology. not fairy tale like. but back onto the subject. wiccan's aren't really mentioned a whole lot in society. not once have I seen a wiccan. I have only seen goths. and I am pretty sure that isn't the same thing.

[Rev]

well someone tell me what it is then? like say what it is then give an example of how its used and stuff. also stage magic is just fake its just a show and ive seen a spefcial on the history channel about it (i dont normally watch the history channel but some subjects interest me) and also about that something different being evil. well i hate it when everythigns the same. napolian dynomite comes out and everyone loves it, i hate it. everyone loves greenday, i think there ok but majorly overrated so i dont like it.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Rock- you never "see" any real Wiccans because most dont advertise it. They are usually ridulculed and given hell for what they practice there fore they dont go around advertising it.

[Rev]

just dont go into the whole poor me thing lol. i really hate all those goths that say stuff like "everyone hates me" but yea i find it pretty amazing how we can go from nothing but rocks and dirt and stuff to computers, just think of how many advances we have made. also is anyone going to try to prove to me that there is magic or somthing, you guys go and say all this stuff and now wont you go and get some url or somthing that shows it being used or even talk about it

[DarkMagicianGrl]

-_-

And goths.....Im not even going there. Some do actual Wicca but a fair amout pretend to and truely know nothing about it. And there is no real evidence like that Rev because as it has been stated before it is not like fairy tale magic.

[Rev]

lol i am open minded but i will not just belive in somthing said, i need some proof or something showing how its worked in the past atleast. because from what i understand now is that some people made up some cult to be different that involves thinking they can do magic and pretending to be whitches. and im not saying im going to stick with the opion because i dont fully understand what this is yet so i need some of you guys to show me what exactally you belive in, understand what im saying?

[DarkMagicianGrl]

There isnt really a way to "show" you over the net. Do some resreach and you see how wrong you truely are. Everytime someone mentions the "cult" thing it makes me giggle

[Rev]

tell me what kind of magic do you think you can do? shoot fireballs or heal or what? i mean you keep yelling at me for being wrong and stuff when you wont even go into what it is that you do. im starting to belive some people do this cult just to be different (and i dont think being different is bad just when you do it for reason of being different)

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Some do indeed but they arent the "true" Wiccans. And I never said I was one, not saying that Im not either.

Like....no not throwing fireballs -_- Healing...somewhat but not in a "normal" aspect

[Rev]

lol so there is no real magic they do

[DarkMagicianGrl]

It all depends on your deffination of "magic" if you consider magic fireballs and making things levetate then no

[Rev]

so what they do then that they consider "magick"

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Gah! I hate explaining this..I always mess it up somehow

[Kimeru]

I have indeed heard of the Wicca Praying before starting with the Ouija Board, so you are protected from evil entities...
But that's all.

[Rev]

Gah! I hate explaining this..I always mess it up somehow
you keep saying its real but then you cant even back that up? i mean a few words to say what "magick" they do or somthing like that.

[.GalerianRion.]

Hmm....well, lets see if I can try it then.... It is a bit hard to explain and my mind is a bit unstable right now to really explain technicalities...but mm.....Magick to them is a way of healing, yourself or a person. It's not by any means "light" that forms at the tip of your fingers, nothing. That magick you think of is completely wrong, now -that- is fairytale.... but magick in Wicca is rather common, they are more indepth with their minds and abilities to 'heal' others around them.


I'm already not making sense, If I could think perfectly straight, I could give you a clear-er answer...um, give me a few hours if you are -really- want an answer, unless DMG beats me too it (which I believe she probably knows more than me), I've only studied it so far (since 8th grade).

[Rock Solid]

yes. there is the point. wicca's are more for the mind. they don't do magic you can see. they are like "meditating". they try to cleanse the mind and spiritually. not any "magic"...

[DarkMagicianGrl]

You make alot of sense. I have a terrible time putting it into words. And I wouldnt bet I know more than you.

Rev...its also using nature and its properities for benefit and knowing rules and such liek the Rule of Three

[Rev]

Hmm....well, lets see if I can try it then.... It is a bit hard to explain and my mind is a bit unstable right now to really explain technicalities...but mm.....Magick to them is a way of healing, yourself or a person. It's not by any means "light" that forms at the tip of your fingers, nothing. That magick you think of is completely wrong, now -that- is fairytale.... but magick in Wicca is rather common, they are more indepth with their minds and abilities to 'heal' others around them.


I'm already not making sense, If I could think perfectly straight, I could give you a clear-er answer...um, give me a few hours if you are -really- want an answer, unless DMG beats me too it (which I believe she probably knows more than me), I've only studied it so far (since 8th grade).

+1 rep for standing up for what you belive in. (that is if you belive in wicca) or just defending those who do. but then do they belive in a god or what?

[Rock Solid]

+1 rep for standing up for what you belive in. (that is if you belive in wicca) or just defending those who do. but then do they belive in a god or what?
yes. a goddess. you should check out that page that DS hyperlinked.

[Rev]

noting really bothers me religion wise as long as it dosent invovle sheep sacrifices, chicken decapitiations, or hex casting
Edit: oh yea and none of that dark lord bullshit

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Well Wicca involves none of that...well...some people do...but its not the basis of it.

[Darksage]

What the fuck...?

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Hm? What the fuck what?

[Rock Solid]

let's just say that we know nothing about wicca and we need a wicca member to fill us in. so find a wicca member.

[.GalerianRion.]

+1 rep for standing up for what you belive in. (that is if you belive in wicca) or just defending those who do. but then do they belive in a god or what?


Thanks, lol. Indeed, I do believe in Wicca, but also in something else, my explanation on that is a bit of a complexing mixture.

They generally believe in Goddesses (AND) Gods.

They don't do "sacrifices" or decapitations or "hex" casting. However, that's what gives Wicca a bad name, because there -are- people that do that out there, sadly.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Yes...that is where the "magic" and "evil" comes from...I hate people who do that...its not the true "essence" of Wicca.

[Akira Raine]

yeah, remember when i used to read your wicca book rion? Yeah its' really intresting all the different things you can do and all the things that they believe in. I'm not wicca myself but i just think it's an intresting religion, i'm not saying it's bad because i KNOW it's not bad. It's just very intresting. I just don't really get into it cuz i don't get into any religion really.

Yeah like rion and dmg said wicca is not bad, definetely isn't. It's not satanist or anything either. It's more of emotional kind of things taht it involves, like dealing with stress and anger. It is definetely not stage magic.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

ITs about knowing things that you can do to help you....like....bringing prophetic dreams to your sleep.....knowing that the scent of lavendar calms and soothes..stuff like that i suppose

[DyBre]

I've actually thought of becoming a Wiccan, since I've read many many things about it and I know a few people who are Wiccans.

Wicca is not bad at all, in fact it's actually the exact opposite, one of the main points of wicca is to not harm anything living being physically, mentally or spiritually. And it is not just 1 thing, it's a NeoPagan relligon, but there is actually many different forms of it, i'm sure theres a place around you area where people pracitce wiccan events... and you can find them online places, I wouldn't doubt there being something on Halloween if you really had the desire to check it out like I do, but I haven't... yet.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Yea...Halloween is usually mad awesome for using Ouija boards and such.

You speak very much the truth.

[DyBre]

lol ouija boards... good times... my basement almost set on fire when playing with that once.

But Wiccans, not so much Ouija boards i'd say... more magick circles... and yah, it's called Magick not magic to them.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

I know. ^_^

and Ouija can be done with out a board if you know how to do it properly

[DyBre]

Hm.. yeah, but I have no clue how it's done... umm magick?? hehe

yeah, but allot of that stuff and such can be done, and none of it is to be done in a bad way, because it's against the rules.

Oh another highly common misbelief I just remembered, I don't know if it was said already, but the Pentagram is very much often used in Wicca, and so many people associate it with Devils, being evil, and Satan worship... probably because of the old american witch hunts. But the Pentagram is actually a symbol representing protection from evil... theres allot of symbols of thing, that people think the wrong meanings about.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Yea. the pentagram is like the symbol of it like the cross for christianity

[Akira Raine]

lol ouija boards... good times... my basement almost set on fire when playing with that once.

But Wiccans, not so much Ouija boards i'd say... more magick circles... and yah, it's called Magick not magic to them.

That's right, i remember reading a lot about the magick circles.

And i don't nkow, i heard the Ouija boards are like part of Satan's work. I don'[t know, that's what my mum told me cuz she's all religious and crap. I don't know, i've never used one before but she says it's all the devils work and that it's bad stuff.

[gsv]

I honeslty have never heard of Wicca and I don't feel like reading all 7+ pages of this thread to find out...so...I don't think it's fake, i jus tdon't know it.

[Akira Raine]

hahaha

sounds like something i sometimes do gsv.

[gsv]

hahaha

sounds like something i sometimes do gsv.
heh, I can tell :P

So...anybody want to explain to me what Wicca is?

[Akira Raine]

sure i will. Well, actually it's really hard to explain.... and i'm not very good at explaining. But it's a version of witchcraft.

NO NOT STAGE MAGIC but instead magick. It has more to do with dealing with every day problems and dealing with emotions and helping others and yourself out.

[gsv]

sure i will. Well, actually it's really hard to explain.... and i'm not very good at explaining. But it's a version of witchcraft.

NO NOT STAGE MAGIC but instead magick. It has more to do with dealing with every day problems and dealing with emotions and helping others and yourself out.
And how is that similar to any other religion?

[.GalerianRion.]

And how is that similar to any other religion?

No one said it had to be similar to any -other- religion.

Wiccans believe in Gods & Godesses. They deal with more of things with the mind.

I'd go into more about it, but I'm lazy today <<;

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Haha.

And Ouija boards can be used for "evil" work but once more only a select few people do that giving the rest bad names. -_-

Ouija boards are used to contact spirits and comunicate with them....sometimes its very creepy and real...others....people push the pointer around and ruin it...

[DyBre]

No one said it had to be similar to any -other- religion.

Wiccans believe in Gods & Godesses. They deal with more of things with the mind.

I'd go into more about it, but I'm lazy today <<;

Well, Wicca is simular to other Neo-Pagan religons because thats what it is, but it's not bound to them all believing in Gods & Godesses.

Wiccans can actually believe in other things such as Jesus, or they could very well be Athiest... It could be very hard to explain...but um.. if you really do care to find out, I have a link for ya'll.

Wicca, the religion (http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm)

[.GalerianRion.]

Well, Wicca is simular to other Neo-Pagan religons because thats what it is, but it's not bound to them all believing in Gods & Godesses.

Wiccans can actually believe in other things such as Jesus, or they could very well be Athiest... It could be very hard to explain...but um.. if you really do care to find out, I have a link for ya'll.

Wicca, the religion (http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm)

I've been studying it since I was in 8th Grade <_< I know a fair amount.

Like I said in my earlier post, I was too lazy to go into great detail about it.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Haha yea same here.

Wicca is very hard to describe...

[DyBre]

in fact most religions are, and because of that, so many misconsepctions arise from people who just hear, a bit about it, and make tons of assumptions

[Rock Solid]

we should all convert to wiccan and see what it is like. just for the heck of it. start our own cult. not a "bad" cult. one where we help people.

[DyBre]

lol... sounds like a plan to me... alright being the count off or members joining Xb

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Haha...I dont quite think that would go down well....

and do research on it before you say its evil...Wicca is awesome

[Rock Solid]

Haha...I dont quite think that would go down well....

and do research on it before you say its evil...Wicca is awesome
I didn't say it's evil. I am referring to other cults of people that will kill animals and such. but we won't do that!! I won't let it happen!!

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Ok then...

man...we have to do a religion report in global...i wanna do mine on Wicca

[DyBre]

That would be pretty cool... interseting as well

Yah, we won't start any evil sect... not anything crazy, like casting demons into people, but healing... people & our souls

[DarkMagicianGrl]

HEh....i doubt Id be allowed too....shed think I was satanic or something *sweat* we'll seee...it IS supposed to be about learning different religions and such..

[Rock Solid]

we WILL learn about different religions. we will convert to every single one of them. and then we will have a bunch of different markings and piercings and such as seuveniers.

[DyBre]

sounds krazy enough to actually happen. . . letz do it... meet me in the woods at 11 tonight

[Akira Raine]

wtf rock? *is majorally confused*

Wicca is a very intresting religion. And DyBre yeah you probably shouldn't disagree with Kat on this one cuz she knows A LOT about Wicca. That's how i found out about it, from her. And i know a little bit about it now. Trust me she's got all these books on it. Trust her on this one.

Wicca rocks!

[.GalerianRion.]

What is with you and calling me Kat!? <_<; *strangles Laura* [/spam *forgivemeicouldnthelpit*]

[Akira Raine]

oops i keep forgetting, but doesn't everyone know you're a girl now? That's what i though. Sorry Kat!!

[.GalerianRion.]

YOUR STILL USING MY NAME....No one needs to know IT argh!

[Akira Raine]

oops, i forgot i used it again ^_^;;; right, Rion's name is jennifer everyone.

[.GalerianRion.]

.....*smacks* <_< Just...stop while your ahead...now, just call me Rion.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

o_O WTF?!

Yea...I learned from a few books and my own research

[DyBre]

I just learned form various places online, I read things for like almost all day long for 2 weeks,

and talk about it to a friend of mine Nic who has been a Wiccan for 6 years

I don't recall disagreing with anyone did I, or what, I don't think so

and in case your wondering anyone, that woods offer is still up for grabs... where I am, it's 30 minutes till 11.. so anyone huh huh??

[Rock Solid]

with my luck I would get lost. plus I think this wiccan topic is slowly driving off the road. I am running out of ideas to say about this. we could find a wiccan website. and then talk. it could be a so called "project" for this site.

[.GalerianRion.]

I just learned form various places online, I read things for like almost all day long for 2 weeks,

and talk about it to a friend of mine Nic who has been a Wiccan for 6 years

I don't recall disagreing with anyone did I, or what, I don't think so

and in case your wondering anyone, that woods offer is still up for grabs... where I am, it's 30 minutes till 11.. so anyone huh huh??


Yeah, ignore Akira on that part, she just babbles on sometimes <.< I only know what I study :) Unfortunalty, I don't have any friends or aquaintences that have been in Wicca for a long period of time or at all.

OH OH! :O I'm up for that woods offer xD; *such lateness in reply*

[DyBre]

I already did post a site that had a bunch of info about Wicca... and I think it has stuff on allot of other relgions too, or at least allot of links to stuff.

the woods is gone, that was yesterday, i froze out there for 2 hours alone T_T so cold... Xb

[.GalerianRion.]

I already did post a site that had a bunch of info about Wicca... and I think it has stuff on allot of other relgions too, or at least allot of links to stuff.

the woods is gone, that was yesterday, i froze out there for 2 hours alone T_T so cold... Xb

Awe <_< >_> ARgh xD ....I'd do it....if I lived near any woods...and had a way of transportation @_@ *yeahiknowisucksowhat* ^_^;

[DyBre]

hehehe don't worry, I was wondering if anyone would even say.. The woods, Vague, but okay... line from Invader Zim XDDD

Yah, nothing beats my transportation... of a gerbil powred car... I can take it threw the woods, and never have to stop.. it cant go faster than 45MPH

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Awww darn that sounded fun too!!

and yea,,,i dont really know anyone who is a Wiccian...

[DyBre]

yah, but hey, maybe we can all go to South Africa, and meet up with the on Wiccan I know Xb

[Mystic-Spirit]

we should all convert to wiccan and see what it is like. just for the heck of it. start our own cult. not a "bad" cult. one where we help people.

"Cults" are something you shouldn't play with even if its like now "Oh we'll be all helpful" and stuff it always ends up into a dark path.

[DyBre]

well, it can't be a CULT, if it does follow a religon, and it's rules is it...

[Vol Opt OS]

Wicca is a cult, but you can say the same thing for every established religious sect out there. It is a religion that was established sometime around 1960s I believe. I've looked into it, and so far, it seems so much more nicer then Catholisism.

I didn't want to read the past ten pages of misc. info, but it's neo-pagan. Not old-pagan. If you want to believe it, it's cool. I'm all for spiritual growth. Just don't hex me.

[DyBre]

no Wicca is not a cult, it's an actual relgion, and it existed before the 1960's as basicly cults...

but books by a man named Gerald Gardner came out in the 1950's which caused it to grow allot in Europe & north America, and it has become a true relgion.. I'm not 100% sure about the relgion part of that, but It isn't a cult, it's one of the minority relgions of the US, many say it's the 5th or 6th most common relgion.

yes, it is a Neo-Pagan relgion... but it would be wrong to put a hex on someone anyway, and wouldn't be allowed

[Mystic-Spirit]

but you can say the same thing for every established religious sect out there.

Damn it why is it that everytime I prove one person wrong another comes up and goes with the same exact answer! anyway to answer your question religions that don't involve sacrifices are not cults.

[DyBre]

okay, I did some looking on more things, and I found out about some other more stuff I wasn't 100% sure on.

Wicca was offically delcared a relgion in the US in 1983, because of some lawsuit that started, by a person who converted to Wicca in prison, and he was mistreated, and some of his rights were violated by the prisons warden. Because of this it was made to legally stand that:

Wicca is a legitimate religion
Some Wiccans are solitary practitioners and others are part of covens
There are differences in beliefs among Wiccans and Wiccan traditions as there are in Christianity

and one thing I wasn't sure of I found is true... that October 31, is the new years eve for the wiccan calender. Which is called Samhain -Celtic word, so how to pronounce it beats me.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

You pronnounce it pretty much the way it looks.

and Wicca is not a cult...youre being so judgemental Mystic. And Wiccians have "covens" not "cults" and yes there is a very big difference

[.GalerianRion.]

cult (klt)
n.

1. a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
5. a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
b. The object of such devotion.
6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.


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Cults are more of extremists, so to speak. I don't know, I just decided to put what the dictionary says :D

But true, Wicca is not a cult, nor do they involve themselves in cults unless they are -extremists- in which I don't think you can really call them "Wiccan"

They hold Covens, which did have different definition, but I think I only need to put one up unless someone needs the other?

Wow do I make sense? :D I bet not, but I try.

[Mystic-Spirit]

You pronnounce it pretty much the way it looks.

and Wicca is not a cult...youre being so judgemental Mystic. And Wiccians have "covens" not "cults" and yes there is a very big difference

I didn't say Wicca was a cult. Vol said all religions are cults and so I was telling him how Religions aren't cults.

[DyBre]

You pronnounce it pretty much the way it looks.

oh, okay, I wasn't sure, I just know Celtic is a very hard to speak langauge.

Yeah Relgions are cults... but just because it involves sacrfices doesn't deny it from being considered a Religon

[Darksage]

Yeah, ignore Akira on that part, she just babbles on sometimes <.< I only know what I study :) Unfortunalty, I don't have any friends or aquaintences that have been in Wicca for a long period of time or at all.

OH OH! :O I'm up for that woods offer xD; *such lateness in reply*
Laura just babbles sometimes? You're one to talk, Kat :poketoung


:rofl:

[Mystic-Spirit]

oh, okay, I wasn't sure, I just know Celtic is a very hard to speak langauge.

Yeah Relgions are cults... but just because it involves sacrfices doesn't deny it from being considered a Religon

It's known as a false,faulty, religious belief. satanism is a cult, religions have culture, traditions, history...Not some idiot who brainwashes people into killing themselves...Those type of people manipulate religion for war or other reasons. A cult can also be when a person starts worshipping something like for example a tv character when they go to the extremes into worshipping them.

[.GalerianRion.]

Laura just babbles sometimes? You're one to talk, Kat :poketoung


:rofl:

<_< YEs Laura's babble is much worse compared to mine ;D [When did you start calling me that? O_O <.< >.>]

:PPP

[Darksage]

:lol: yeah her babbling is worse
And Kat what are you talking about? Calling you what?

[.GalerianRion.]

:lol: yeah her babbling is worse
And Kat what are you talking about? Calling you what?

:OO *quietly shoves you off random cliff* *whistles* DS?...where'd ya go? <_< >_> OH my...he must have left ;D BWAhahaha

[Darksage]

And to think I was going to wish you a happy birthday. . . XD

[.GalerianRion.]

xD YOU ONLY KNOW THAT BECAUSE AKIRA TOLD YOU...and it's not till tomorrow :P you can climb out of the cliff by then xD BWahaha*coughhackcough*AHAghaha!

[ On Topic ]

Wicca Wicca Wicca *is -slightly- trying to stay on the current topic which seems to have lost it's purpose at the moment*

[/on topic]

[Darksage]

Yeah she mentioned it, and it's in your profile too XP lol


Wicca is cool, my friend... "practices"... it

[.GalerianRion.]

Of course she mentioned it ;D she called you right after she called me wanting some of my books bwaha and yes..profile, IT'S NON-EXISTANT, YOU IMAGINED THE PROFILE. <_<

I wish I knew someone near my age who practiced it. But I do know someone who's mom practicies it and but I don't know if her son does...I never asked o_O.

[Darksage]

Yeah :lol:
And the profile is there... o_O *becomes brainwashed* Oh wait, there's no profile, it's non-existant.... hey look at this cool looking knife....*la la la la la*



And the guy is weird, be glad you don't know a "Wiccan"

[.GalerianRion.]

xD He's not weird, HE'S INSANE....like me <3 ...I want to go to his school and frighten his friends...he says I could accomplish such BWAhaha...

I want to know someone who's Wiccan so much ;-; <_< BUT I DON'T LIVE NEAR PEOPLE, I LIVE IN A CORNFIELD [/sarcasm of how where I live is full of Corn ;D]

[Darksage]

You live near a cornfield? AWESOME!!!

And they are insane, weird, assho--- strange, all that jazz, but cool too :d

[.GalerianRion.]

You live near a cornfield? AWESOME!!!

And they are insane, weird, assho--- strange, all that jazz, but cool too :d

Hm, what about me? xD j/k!

And I don't live near -A- cornfield...I LIVE BY TONS...*tour guide voice* "Cornfield over there! CORNFIELD over THERE" *points and flails arms*

[Darksage]

What -about- you? :D

Kat Kat Kat, you dont get it, *talks very rapidly* corn is so great omg I love corn you're so lucky to live near a cornfield i would kill to live near a cornfield or even just a piece of corn corn rocks how can you hate it like omg i'm mad hyper :D *tapes mouth shut*

Wicca...........................................

[.GalerianRion.]

What -about- you? :D

Kat Kat Kat, you dont get it, *talks very rapidly* corn is so great omg I love corn you're so lucky to live near a cornfield i would kill to live near a cornfield or even just a piece of corn corn rocks how can you hate it like omg i'm mad hyper :D *tapes mouth shut*

Wicca...........................................

O_O...I think my hyperness is rubbing off on you!? *throws in river* <.< I DIDN'T DO IT.


Wicca I think is also refered to for some people as "white witches" [/random info]

[Darksage]

omfgwtf 'hyperness' is a word!!! I SO DID NOT KNOW THAT! whoo, I learned something today, yes I did go to school *coughs* STOP STARING AT ME >_>

And I knew that random piece of info, hah, I am smart, :D

[.GalerianRion.]

WELL IT'S A WORD NOW IF IT WASN'T [Yes you did go to school ;D SPECIAL ED school....JOKING *hides under rock*]

[Darksage]

Hahaha, I was in special ed once (on accident, stupid office put me in the wrong class, they paid for it when I killed a bunny and smeared the blood all over their desks and stuck the bunny on the principals rotating chair)

I thought about 'tuning' Wicca once, but I was too scared that god would strike me with lightning if I did :D

[.GalerianRion.]

GEEZUS, WHAT DID THAT BUNNIE DO TO YOU!? :O


tuning, or turning? xD I have my own theories of God and the goddess and gods of Wiccan <.< >.>;

[Darksage]

The bunny happened to be there when I was in my bad mood

And isnt Zeus the guy who gets you with lightning?

[DyBre]

If you really do want to see if there Wiccans around you, check out this place.

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_index/xpagans.html

Zeus=greek... or Jupiter=Roman, or Thor=Norse... different gods different religions

[DarkMagicianGrl]

You guys....greatly scare me -_-'

[Darksage]

Thats what we were trying to do DMG ;)

[DyBre]

well, it's Wicca talk... it's always gonna scare people XD

[Darksage]

Yeah but me and .GalerianRion. were being... CRAZY!!!

[DyBre]

yes I'm aware of that... but crazy is good, I like krazy XD

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Yea....it was DS scarin me not the Wicca talk

[DyBre]

Yah, I know that... I'm just... you know.. trying to push things... back on the topic.. of Wicca

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Yea...anyway....

Theres a book seriers callesd "blue is for nightmares" about a wiccian girl who has prophetic dreams and such...theres 4 books...theyre all extremley mad awesome

[DyBre]

interseting... I'd check it out... but whenever I get a book, I read like 1 chapter then let it sit there forever.

but I just read a preview of this on Amazon.. does seem really cool... XDD

[Darksage]

Yah, I know that... I'm just... you know.. trying to push things... back on the topic.. of Wicca
pfft, I hate going back on-topic, NO FUN AT ALL

[DyBre]

aw.. okay sry then XD

[DarkMagicianGrl]

>_>

Yea its a mad awesome book that contains real Wiccan...the author is really nice to Ive talked to her some.

[Darksage]

Yea...anyway....

Theres a book seriers callesd "blue is for nightmares" about a wiccian girl who has prophetic dreams and such...theres 4 books...theyre all extremley mad awesome
Interesting... I think I saw someone in my school with a book that had "blue" and "nightmare' in the title, maybe that was it.

And you've talked to the authoor? That's pretty neat

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Via email but still. Mad awesome books and pretty accurate on the Wicca thing too.

[Akira Raine]

Wicca is a very intresting religion. I find it fascinating (omg did i just say fascinating!! ((damn now i sound like a nerd)) and wow that's crazy)

lol

yeah... i think i should borrow more books from you Rion and read more. I only read a little bit of Gothica Grimoire (or something like that) freshman year in IPS. LOL good times. Setting the school on fire HAHAHAHA that was great. anyways, i need to read more about it *has got reintrested*

[DyBre]

I found there is some thing just 10 minutes from my house, this thursday, about ways to exprence and incorporate rituals of the divines in your daily life, and says open for anyone to come. . . I think I might go

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Sounds cool...and thats good Akira. LOL My friend nick was talking about some girl who said her religion was wicca and she was all "goth like" and she scared him for her saying she was wicca...i wanted to slap him >_>

[.GalerianRion.]

Yea...anyway....

Theres a book seriers callesd "blue is for nightmares" about a wiccian girl who has prophetic dreams and such...theres 4 books...theyre all extremley mad awesome


:D who's the author?

[DyBre]

Her name is Laurie Faria Stolarz the book titles are:

White is for Magic
Red is for Remembrance
Silver is for Secrets
Blue is for Nightmares

[.GalerianRion.]

Her name is Laurie Faria Stolarz the book titles are:

White is for Magic
Red is for Remembrance
Silver is for Secrets
Blue is for Nightmares


Ohhh :D Thankyou <3 I'll remember all of those *writes them down*

[DarkMagicianGrl]

She had better write a 5th too!!! *shakes fist* Shes mad good! and have a livejournal too! shes cool

[Darksage]

Haha what's her LiveJournal?

And actually, I have one of those books o_O WTH

[DarkMagicianGrl]

Hmmm....Ill have to look up the link but its cool she does! wish shed visit NY soon

[Savage]

isn't wicca like gothic? that wican chick on a scooby doo cartoon movie i saw. she was cool.....

LOL! I was about to say that I saw a wiccan girl from Scooby Doo but I read this. Haha.

[Obsideon]

I burst out laughing reading some of the first responses to this. From my understanding Wicca is a spiritual religion based on the belief of a mother goddess and earth life-force from which all things flow. A beautiful idea though I don't think I buy it, I haven't yet studied deeply into wicca, but I've known my share of wiccan, a half dozen or so kids at my first high school (that I knew at least) were proclaimed (or confidentially told me) wiccans. The ideas are generally good though I'm sure as any religion it has it's dark sides. As far as comparing Wicca to satanism or goth, well that just makes me laugh, sounds like auto-criticism to me.

[DarkMagicianGrl]

I burst out laughing reading some of the first responses to this. From my understanding Wicca is a spiritual religion based on the belief of a mother goddess and earth life-force from which all things flow. A beautiful idea though I don't think I buy it, I haven't yet studied deeply into wicca, but I've known my share of wiccan, a half dozen or so kids at my first high school (that I knew at least) were proclaimed (or confidentially told me) wiccans. The ideas are generally good though I'm sure as any religion it has it's dark sides. As far as comparing Wicca to satanism or goth, well that just makes me laugh, sounds like auto-criticism to me.

Youre simply amazing for saying that.

[Obsideon]

ok, I just read up to page 13, tell me if I missed anything important, I got bored of the corn rantings. Anyways time for my imput. But first a warning, when I debate I don't always come off as kind and polite, in fact I can be downright rood and offensive. Mind you this is because I am an initimate debater, I do not hold grudges, in fact if I am so rude and offensive and constantly argueing with you in a debate the odds are I respect you.

to Dark MagicianGrl: umm, I'm not quite sure how to reply to comments like that so, thanks I guess.

first I shall prove that magic exists. Forgive me if I never use a 'k', I think spelling it like that is just a crap way of trying to be different. One, alchemy, before the age of science alchemists would 'transform' materials into other materials, one great example is fireworks. Today chemists do much the same thing, the only differences are, one, modern scientists have better understanding of what they're doing (though far from perfect), and two, we call it different things. Today the only thing viewed as a true transmutation is radio decay, and yes it is possable to make gold out of other substances, just extremely dangerous and expensive. Making fireballs appear out of nowhere, well the key word in that is appear, the magic is illusive, it is possable to make similar effects scientifically, why not call this magic? because we understand it, and apparently anything understood and proven is too good to be called magic, but it is no different. Two, positive reinforcement is scientifically proven to aid in the healing process. If you believe you will heal quickly, if you have faith in that for whatever reason, you are more likely to do so. We can't explain the effect your subconscience has on your body, not entirely, but it's there. If someone "hex's" you, and you on some level believe you are hexed, then so beit, you are hexed, you are now more likely to come down with some sort of illness, or to subconsciencely stub your toe on a rock or whatever. How is any of this not to be considered magic? Magic is just a name for things some people don't udnerstand, how is a plane flying through the air not magic? Oh, and can you trully prove that mermaids or whatever don't exist? if we have stealth technology, why shouldnt' they? maybe they're more advanced then us (no I don't believe this but there is a point)

Rev, you say you're not narrowminded, but you are judgemental, and that is in essence the same thing, you were givin links to find out more on the topic, to learn more of what you wanted to know, just because the people debating you couldn't explain it doesn't mean you couldn't get your facts strait for yourself.

Cult? sounds like a name for something you don't understand. fortunately a definition was already provided here so I don't have to go into that.

Oh, and if you all are interested in joining random religions, I do consider myself a god, and am in need of worshippers (I have some but not enough) ;)

One more thing. You guys wanted a wiccan to reply here? I'll see what I can do

[Undevoted]

Hello, I was directed to this thread by Obsideon, and I have to say that while I agree totally with some of the posters here, I was offended incredibly by at least the first 7 pages of this debate - and the apparent narrow mindedness of some of the debaters.

I am Wiccan, I have no problem in admitting that. I'm not ashamed of what religion I follow, and at the same time I'm not saying it - as I know some people seem to think - just to get attention. I'm merely revealing a minor fact about myself in order to back up my views in this debate. Feel free to flame me for my religion all you want, it only proves how narrow your mind is and how intolerant you are.

Now, onto the real debate... and I apologise if this post ends up very long, I'm terrible at keeping my sentences short :sweat: ...

Speaking as a Wiccan, for Wiccans (the majority of them, that is) I have to say that the way this debate began was highly offensive - contrary to belief, Wicca is not a 'cult' and we do not 'worship the devil', in fact as far as my experience goes, Satan has little or nothing to do with anything in Wicca. The pentacle is often associated with the devil, for a reason I'm not entirely sure of, but the pentacle is in fact a symbol of Wicca, there aren't any dark pretences behind using it, its just like every other religion has a symbol we can recognise - the cross, the star of david... none of these has any dark reasons behind it, neither does the pentacle.

As for 'all goths being Wiccan' or vice versa... well I'm afraid I have to admit that idea makes me smile a little - not all goths are Wiccans, not all Wiccans are goths. Gothic is a dress sense and a lifestyle choice. It is not a religion, and people who follow Gothic lifestyle follow a variety of religions. Wiccans come from different social classes, different groups of people... me for example, if you passed me in the street your first thought wouldn't be 'man, that girl is sooooo Wiccan.' I'm a normal girl - I go to college, I go out to clubs, I hang out with my friends, (who aren't Wiccan, if that's of any importance) and lead a perfectly ordinary life. I wear ordinary clothes, listen to ordinary music, have an ordinary family. I don't spend every spare hour I have dancing round a fire in a black cape, cackling and trying to raise people from the dead, though thats how people seem to percieve being Wiccan.

We're ordinary people who just follow a different religion - and if you're going to start attacking people for following a different religion to you, I suggest you take a look in the history books at Germany in the early 30's and see what effects such an outlook had there.

So what is Wicca? Well, thats kind of hard to explain and I know I'm not going to do a very good job explaining it - Wicca's a very personal religion, there are some things that other Wiccans believe that I don't, and some things that I believe that others don't. Unlike other religions there's no holy text, no scriptures defining what to believe and what not to believe. Its a choice you have to find within yourself, and be tolerant of people who choose to believe differently to you. For example most Wiccans believe in the Green Goddess (which is where the term Mother Nature originated, by the way) whereas I believe in an intelligent power, but I don't give it a name. Reincarnation, heaven, or everlasting peace? Wicca doesn't specify. Its a personal choice. Wicca is all about making personal choices and growing spiritually.

There's no magic like Harry Potter that we believe we can do. Stage magic is something I find just as amusing and fake as anyone else. Most of it is meditation, empathy, being in touch with nature. There are some rituals people -choose- to do, but then again, there are rituals in every other religion. We don't hex people, curse them, try to bring people back to life or anything else like that. We -do- try to help people by providing spiritual support.

If a Wiccan chants its not because we're trying to bring forth a demon from the depths of hell, its because we're trying to concentrate, to meditate. The mind is a powerful thing which mankind has barely even begun to harness yet, why just accept that we can't use any more than we do right now? And thats what the essence of Wicca is, in my opinion - using your mind, trying to harness it and use it to achieve happiness for yourself and others. Other Wiccans might disagree with me, but only a little. Like I said - its a very personal religion.

People who go around sacrificing animals, people, worshipping so called 'dark powers' and calling themselves Wiccan are liars - they're not Wiccan, and such people give Wiccans a bad name and make people narrow minded - the proof of that can be seen in some of the posts put in this debate.

Anyway, thats my input for this debate, forgive its length but I'm terribly long winded. I hope this has at least done a little explaining and people will be able to see past the stereotype and bad publicity.