Invisible Children

[Boris The Blade]

First Opinion/Opening: This is in fact a topic I don't want to cloud with idiocy and stupidity, due to the sadness and seriousness factors.

Facts: http://www.invisiblechildren.com/ Need I say more?

The Boris Opinion: Few people actually knew that this war was going on for nearly 20 years. Fewer people chose to do something about it.

After watching some of the trailers, clips, and footage from that, I can't say it made me go back to my "emo form", but it was something that truly made me despise humanity once again. I can't say it shows our true nature as savages, because many are trying to change that, but this is the kind of thing that funding and protest walks can't exactly do much.

Those kids are suffering. First, they are tortured and brainwashed, then they are forced to kill their own family members, then eventually, they are killed themselves. What the fuck kind of life is that?! Throughout history, people have done things many cannot imagine, but, one of the worst acts of history, right here, right now, is happening before us. And what the hell are we doing?! Protest walks? Funds? Why doesn't Bush pull his soldiers out of that idiot war he caused, and actually send them somewhere where it could make a dramatic, positive difference.

Now, we our selves can't do much, we aren't soldiers, nor are we the Justice League, but, the smallest things can make the biggest difference.

I myself, will research more into this matter, and what I can do about it. But I sure as hell ain't doing pointless protest walks in front of my city mayor!

State your overall opinion on this, what you plan to do about it, and DEBATE.

[TaCktiX]

Your argument has one huge fundamental hole in it, though your idea is noble:

Why doesn't Bush pull his soldiers out of that idiot war he caused, and actually send them somewhere where it could make a dramatic, positive difference.

Bush sent troops to Iraq to do that in the first place. Do you think that Bush is ANY more likely to have complete compliance to what essentially is a military takeover of a country that has people armed and dangerous on BOTH sides (the sides being the ones in favor of the occupation, and the ones against)?

I'm sure the US wouldn't have to worry about something as organized as Al-Qaeda, but there will still be people who will be guerrillas, taking potshots from the shadows. I think that one lesson the US should learn from Iraq, if anything, is that strong-arming a pretty weak country into submission only encourages the obvious success the guerrilla warfare has.

Honestly, the US needs to STOP getting involved in foreign affairs. Yes, it's horrible and really screwed up that 14-year-olds and younger are fighting and killing their own friends and family. But was the Inquisition any better when it came to ethics? How about the Salem Witch Trials? Or the very recent (relative to history) Red Scare caused by McCarthy?

We, as US citizens (or other industrialized countries), believe ourselves more "enlightened" in regards to how the world should be run. We think that it's our business to "fix" the world and all its ills. How naive we are. Trying to quash all the "inhumane" things that we see around the world when it comes to conflicts between peoples will only end up with an endless involvement in the original country's affairs. Iraq CANNOT be pulled out of, regardless of how much people are yelling for it to happen, because the US can't admit to having been defeated in its mission. The same would occur in every other place the US or any other industrialized nation would try to "fix" the situation.

[Boris The Blade]

The reason that America does and must involve itself in foreign affairs is through the ever present spread of globalization and globalism practices. The simple fact is there are markets to exploit, and in a society such as ours where christianity seeks to use the tools at its disposal to spread its message will piggy-back on other nations to get the job done. If you ever heard the last pope speak (or most other popes) you'll know what I'm talking about. Fact is also, in a society such as ours, people take for granted their liberties and consider it to be a natural right (refer to Declaration and other related documents of the time and thereafter); as a result, things like this happen.

There are some flaws concerning IRAQ here:
@ Tacktix: This is not the first example of such an instance, so there is really nothing new to learn. Experience has hardened the US into a state of not caring about the costs but only the results. This also applies to almost all military powers in the world.

@ Boris: You are over-generalizing. Simple fact is, you do not pull out troops from a destabilized region, as that creates problems for the World Economy. Furthermore, it would cost a LOT of money in contract severences. Your crusade to get the troops sent to other sectors is noble as Tacktix said, but hopeless idealistic.

Well then, if you say so, that makes us no different than the pricks in Africa.

I'm cool with that though, I'm already as heartless as they get. :china:

[TaCktiX]

Must, you say, Hellspire? MUST it? Or does the United States obligate itself, considering it to be the "only answer to peace and justice" in the world? Consider what you say. There is no reason that the US "must" join into any foreign conflict. Isolationism itself is on the rise because of how many foreign affair debacles the US has had in recent history. The last true war that accomplished something that the US was in was WWII. Everything else was meddling, whether for Communist containment reasons (Korea, Vietnam), or because we were the "only super power" (Gulf War, Kosovo, Iraq). I stand by my original opinion.

[bakafish007]

i agree boris, it's hard to accurately place the purpose of this post.
these invisible children were used quite a lot in Seirra Leone because of the abundance of diamonds in the country. diamond-smuggling cartels commonly kill families and use the children as soldiers. Not only that, but even Columbia has had cases where children were used.
in my opinion, these children are treated in the same way as ppl treat oil. they are considered commodities and are used as such. they lost their innocence and any chance of having a childhood. the question is, what can ppl do about it? what are they doing about it?

[Jester]

We, as US citizens (or other industrialized countries), believe ourselves more "enlightened" in regards to how the world should be run. We think that it's our business to "fix" the world and all its ills. How naive we are. Trying to quash all the "inhumane" things that we see around the world when it comes to conflicts between peoples will only end up with an endless involvement in the original country's affairs.


This sounds a lot like when Great Britain and France and Spain all sent people over to Africa to establish colonies and "enlighten" the world on Christianity whilest sucking them dry of resources and permanently fucking them over (Africa isn't exactly a first rate continent, if you haven't noticed).

So maybe in the years to come, we will be looked down upon as the savages of the land of the 21st century and view ourselves the way we view our own past selves in the 1600's.

^that bit might be confusing, but its the easiest way i could type it out.

[gakekuroi]

Its our nature to destroy , we are parasites of this planet and we devour all in our way or cant understand

[dj_fender]

Bush Dumped Chemical Waste On Africa, Blew Up Japan, Scared The Bejesus Out Of The USSR, Europe Wants Nothin To Do With The USA, And Pissed Off The Muslims, Whos Left To Help Bush? CANADA Thats Who... Canada And Other Smaller Countrys, If Bush Got Shot Right Now Id Be Prowd If A Canadian Held the Gun, Kerry Woulda Worked Something Out...
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Viva La Kerry!

[gakekuroi]

well i know just had to get it off my chest , but it has elements of truth

[WithOutName]

that is right dj_fender