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black myst

Jul 11th, 2006, 10:38 AM

the next gen console wars are nearly upon us. What do you guys think is the best out of the three consoles. All of them look good and all have Exclusive titles I'd love to play like NInja gaiden and Halo for X360, Metal gear and Gran turismo for ps3 and Zelda & smash bros on wii.
sadly I can only get one and it will most likely be the ps3, cuz they havent released the x360 yet where I live and i'm betting the ps3 will be here first.
which console do you guys plan on getting.

pmaster4

Jul 11th, 2006, 11:34 AM

Right now I am mostly interested in the 360 and the wii for a few reasons. For one I can buy both the 360 and the wii for the price of the ps3, hopefully

Sony systems usually have a lot of problems at launch I have 2 friends with 2 ps2 and one with 4!!!!!! So I don’t really trust sony products, especially at launch.

Another reason is that Sony dominated because it had tons of exclusive games that doesn’t seem to be happening this time, GTA 4 announced for xbox 360 first and a lot of developers are supporting the wii and 360.

Alex

Jul 11th, 2006, 11:41 AM

pmaster4

Jul 11th, 2006, 11:48 AM

XBOX 360 had its share of problems at launch too.

True but it has died down a bit, and it is known that the PS2 has a ton of problems there are numerous people with multiple systems, i will wait a few years before i consider the PS3

black myst

Jul 12th, 2006, 03:27 AM

I think I will wait a few years too before I get one. I'm not really intrested in HD gaming cuz I don't have/ Can't afford an Hd tv, so for me it will go down to which system has the best games not the best graphics

Alister

Jul 12th, 2006, 03:38 AM

In terms of the 360's problems. It had some heat issues and some other issues at launch. These issues were mainly caused by the user, NOT by the xbox 360 itself. The manual says put it into open spaces with lots of ventilation, don't put things on the carpet, don't move it while in operation, etc. Even WITH this, fewer than 5% of the consoles experienced problems, natural, or human-caused.

The PS2 had a 20% fail rate, meaning that around 4 times as many PS2s were malfunctioning (simply at launch. far more messed up later). One of the reasons that PS2s have such a high number of sales is because the (probably) 40% of people who have bought one, have had one or more fatal problems with it, and didn't have a warranty.

In terms of what I'm most interested in? Wii. I want to see how that will work, get my hands on it and such.

I have an xbox 360, so I may be biased, but it is a great console. I play in high definition on my LCD monitor (far cheaper than an HDTV, all you need is VGA cables) and it is beautiful.

I watched all 3 press conferences for E3 (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo), and Microsoft's and Nintendo's were good.. Sony's turned me off greatly.

I won't be buying a PS3, however my brother might. I may buy a Wii though.

Reiga

Jul 12th, 2006, 03:42 AM

As it stands, PS3 intrests me the most. That's only because to charge 600 dollars for a console system it would have to be really really great. But i will most likely be getting the wii. I'll let my brother pay for the PS3

pmaster4

Jul 12th, 2006, 09:22 AM

I am looking at the ps3 and 360 and the graphics are close, i can't even c a difference, so y spend the extra money. I think people should avoid the ps3 at launch unless they want to become Sony’s test subjects for the durability of the ps3. Plus the wii has a strong launch line up one of the best i have seen

Reiga

Jul 12th, 2006, 12:43 PM

I'm sure that a month or two after releasing the PS3 sony will come to their senses and drop the price at least 100 dollars or so

pmaster4

Jul 12th, 2006, 01:09 PM

O.o .............. u really feel so??? How long did the ps2 get a price drop also Sony is losing a ton of money on the PS3 and they don't have as much money as M$ if they lower the price they will go further into debt

Reiga

Jul 12th, 2006, 01:14 PM

If they lower the price then they will without a doubt sell more, I would say make even more money. I don't really know what the production cost of the PS3 is but thinking realistically they wont sell more than 3/5 the amount of ps2's they sold, especially with the wii coming out at the same time

pmaster4

Jul 12th, 2006, 01:26 PM

I think sony went as low as they can go for now they may be able to lower the price later when production costs goes down, I think sony is taking a deep cut from the PS3 because they were going to sell stand alone Blue Ray Players for as much as 1000, so they can't afford to go any lower

Alex

Jul 12th, 2006, 03:11 PM

I'm sure that a month or two after releasing the PS3 sony will come to their senses and drop the price at least 100 dollars or so

Lol.. Sony.

They will never drop the price that low. Their only intrest is to make many to get themselves out of debt.

The console is already priced below what it costs to be made.

pmaster4

Jul 12th, 2006, 04:07 PM

Lol.. Sony.

They will never drop the price that low. Their only intrest is to make many to get themselves out of debt.

The console is already priced below what it costs to be made.

Exactly

Sony really think they will permanently be Knig of the conslole world, they even said that the PS3 will sell even if it launches with no games. Sad thing is they are right Sony fanboys will buy anything

gsv

Jul 12th, 2006, 04:53 PM

Exactly

Sony really think they will permanently be Knig of the conslole world, they even said that the PS3 will sell even if it launches with no games. Sad thing is they are right Sony fanboys will buy anything
Yeah, the thing with Sony is that half of the money you pay them is simply for the Sony logo on the item....other companies have similar products, at a much better price...this goes for anything that Sony makes.

Alister

Jul 19th, 2006, 03:00 AM

Actually, the PS3 will cost something like over 1000 dollars to make one, so selling for 500 and 600 (I believe those are the prices?) is taking a MAJOR loss

pmaster4

Jul 19th, 2006, 11:54 AM

With sony taking on such a huge loss they will not be lowering the price of the ps3 anytime soon, still can't really c y anyone would chose the ps3 over the x360 or thy can buy both the 360 and the wii for less than 1000

hertza_heaon

Jul 19th, 2006, 06:34 PM

soooo what is Wii anyways. Ive heard about it and could never find out. a little help please?

Alex

Jul 19th, 2006, 08:05 PM

The Wii is the new Nintendo system.

Go here to learn more.

http://wii.nintendo.com/home.html

pmaster4

Jul 19th, 2006, 08:11 PM

The Wii is the new Nintendo system.

Go here to learn more.

http://wii.nintendo.com/home.html

Yea and it's suppose to revalorize gaming by bringing new ways to play

http://wii.ign.com/articles/716/716553p1.html

Plus it is launching with a ton of AAA games, see link

Goten4

Jul 19th, 2006, 09:20 PM

The Wii looks like it will be a good system, I bet the Wii will do better then the Gamecube. More 3rd party companys are join with nintendo to make games for it, look at sega, square, capcom, namco, and more i cannot think of at the top of my head. Sony has good systems, but in no way am I going to pay $600 for a PS3.

pmaster4

Jul 21st, 2006, 09:34 PM

Developers ditching PS3 for Wii and 360

Gamedaily BIZ has a nice little feature up where they ask if Sony can do something that someone has never done before: dominate the industry for three generations. Based on a report run by BusinessWeek Online, they analyze Sony's high-priced offering and claim that developers are instead diverting resources to the more cost-effective Xbox 360 and Wii. To quote the article:

"At its autumn games preview on July 13, for instance, traditional Sony ally Electronic Arts spent far more time showing off innovative Nintendo games than it did titles for the PS3," emphasized BusinessWeek. "EA announced six Nintendo Wii launch titles and showed long working demos for two of those. But it offered only a short clip of a car-racing game for PS3. EA says it's still testing the potential of the PS3."

Makes sense since the development costs are already extremely high as it is and with the incredibly-cheap process by which developers can make games on the Wii, a process more expensive on the Xbox 360, however less expensive than on the PS3, we're sure to see this occur even more should the Wii strike gold once released to retail.

.............................

This is just testament that the ps3 is a bad buy if EA, who developers for everyone, are still "testing the ps3" and are unsure of it. If Sony looses EA that is the end

kaerlocke

Jul 22nd, 2006, 04:13 AM

Wii will give Nintendo a boost, since gamecube didn't quite match up with PS2 or Xbox. Out of the 3 next gen consoles, they all have good graphics, its going to go down on the exclusive game titles. I personally will be buying a PS3 since PSX and PS2 are the only consoles I bought after the SNES days..

Jul 23rd, 2006, 12:46 AM

The abilty to DL old nintendo games intrests me verry much,
I want all the old zelda and pokemon, and if all there asking is 250 for it then thats definatly worth it

Awesomo

Jul 23rd, 2006, 02:32 AM

I'll go for the Wii, because I've always enjoyed Nintendo, it seems like it will be cheaper, and I like the controller.
There is nothing like "accidentally" hitting your opponent in the head while playing baseball.

Jul 23rd, 2006, 09:28 PM

theres also a web browser for the wii

yea seems like the better idea this gen of gaming

is the ds ever gonna get web browsing?

Alister

Jul 23rd, 2006, 09:29 PM

theres also a web browser for the wii

yea seems like the better idea this gen of gaming

is the ds ever gonna get web browsing?
I think a variant of Opera Mobile is done/being made for the DS

pmaster4

Jul 24th, 2006, 09:11 AM

The abilty to DL old nintendo games intrests me verry much,
I want all the old zelda and pokemon, and if all there asking is 250 for it then thats definatly worth it

I completely forgot about the virtual console, makes the wii an even better buy

ZA_OTAKU

Jul 24th, 2006, 12:50 PM

thats the same reason for me

Ereos

Jul 25th, 2006, 07:45 AM

Jul 25th, 2006, 10:32 AM

hmmm thats true....
but ps3 will be better since wii graphics will not change on HD tv's unlike xbox 360 and ps3
technology is better but we have to see the games which will determine it in overall....
but im suprised no one is voting for 360 lol
360 has a kewl online server.... which i quite like... but i hear ps3 online is gonna be the same as ps2 online.... and ps2 online is pretty crap....
not really
they dont push the online but it is good service
like splinter cell,thug, battle front II

the service gets lagy on saturdays but besides that it runs decent on true broad band

Ereos

Jul 26th, 2006, 05:50 PM

hmmm does anyone kno what the stats of the nintendo wii ???
like whats its features and stuff....

Alister

Jul 26th, 2006, 07:57 PM

To my understanding, the main selling point of the Wii is the new motion sensing technology. Rather than simply using a joystick to control your gaming world, you use real life motions that can be seen on-screen.

Also, there will be a 'virtual console' thus you will be able to download old Nintendo games (and play them).

It will be small, it will be cheap, it will have a web browser.

Ereos

Jul 27th, 2006, 08:49 AM

what like the ps2 eye toy thing???

hmmm dl old nintendo games
it makes me wanna get bomberman 5 on the snes lol

pmaster4

Jul 27th, 2006, 10:48 AM

what like the ps2 eye toy thing???

hmmm dl old nintendo games
it makes me wanna get bomberman 5 on the snes lol

Like the PS2 eye toy O_o , man it would be a sin to compare the wii controller to that thing

Alister

Jul 27th, 2006, 04:59 PM

No... not like the eye toy.

You will have the 'nunchuck' in your left hand, which is a little thing (think like the handle of a N64 controller) that has a joystick ontop and the 'z' button or 'trigger' on the bottom.

Connected to it by a wire, there will be a remote-like thing (which many call the 'Wiimote'). It will have your A and B buttons, your directional pad, and I believe it also has a trigger (along with some other things).

Both of these will have sensors within them so when you move them, whatever you are doing in the game will react accordingly. So say you're playing a tennis game, the 'Wiimote' will be the handle of your racket, and you'll use it to hit the ball. Your left hand with the joystick will move your character around the tennis court.

Say you're playing an FPS, the Wiimote will be like the gun, and you'll move it to aim, shoot, etc.

Get it?

Awesomo

Jul 27th, 2006, 10:18 PM

Stop making me ogle the new controller.
But I have an idea though to solve this entire debate.
Everyone get enough money to buy one Playstation 3, one Wii, and one Xbox 360, and send them all to me. I will see which one is the best and give you the results.

Alister

Jul 28th, 2006, 01:21 AM

I've got a 360 and will be buying a Wii. We all know that the PS3 will be madly succesful, just like the PS2, as a result of fanboys wanting their Final Fantasy..

But there is Final Fantasy on Xbox 360 as well..

pmaster4

Jul 28th, 2006, 09:07 AM

It is true that fanboys will make the ps3 sell, but with the high price and most of its games going multiplatform i wonder how many of them may realize that it is not such a good buy. The main selling point for the ps2 was that it had tons of exclusives, and developers are shifting gears and bringing more games to the 360 and wii. Also they two generations Sony dominated they had their console first out of the gate they don't have that advantage anymore so i don't think the ps3 will be as successful as the ps2

Alister

Jul 28th, 2006, 04:34 PM

Heh, there will most likely be tons of PS3 shortages this winter.. that may shift people over to the inexpensive Wii (which will most likely launch October 2) or the xbox 360, which will have a large game lineup at that time.

PS3 is difficult to develop for, apparently, and the dev kits cost more I think. That is why developers are going for multiplatform, to cover costs, or switching over to easier-to-develop-for systems.

The Wii will have no problem succeeding this time around. Not sure if it will WIN, though..

Xbox 360 has a year, and (when the PS3 launches, will have) ~50 games ahead of the PS3. I'm sure many Sony fanboys will say screw it and switch to the 360, as they will still get their HD gaming, but at a DECENT price.

Jul 31st, 2006, 12:42 PM

Where do you see the eye toy going? with the next gen

pmaster4

Jul 31st, 2006, 02:07 PM

Where do you see the eye toy going? with the next gen

Sony may try a bit with the eye toy but they are more likely to create a something similar to the wii mote, saw an article that showed Sony was trying to develop something similar to the wii mote. But I think the eye toy may be dead

Link
http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2006/07/21/rumor-sony-tries-to-copy-nintendo-again/

Awesomo

Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:20 PM

Where do you see the eye toy going? with the next gen

I think a really good idea with the eye toy would be using to to create a true virtual representation of yourself in games, (say: create-a-character, you stand in front of the camera and turn 360 degrees), or say, start a fighting game with sensors attached to your arms and legs that the eye-toy could (see). Who knows where the fun could end?

Alister

Aug 3rd, 2006, 12:31 AM

With the eye-toy they are taking the concept of Yugioh somewhere. You have a mat that you place cards on, and each card has something so that the camera can recognize it uniquely. From there, an actual monster will appear on the screen, above the card. You can see your hand and such at the same time as well.

SpeLLBinDeR

Aug 3rd, 2006, 01:30 AM

WII MAN. you're basically IN the game XP

Awesomo

Aug 3rd, 2006, 04:21 AM

By that, do you mean we swinging our arms around? Psh, my friends do that all the time, thinking that bashing the buttons and swerving the controller left and right will produce a different effect.

pmaster4

Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:25 AM

Ereos

Aug 3rd, 2006, 11:22 AM

yeh i agree
that be kewl the idea is how r u gonna get ur opponent not seein what ur gonna place if its on one tv
unless they do a like a 2 tv thing.... but i rathe like play the game with the cards than the effort of 2 tvs and prob 2 WII linked together....

pmaster4

Aug 3rd, 2006, 12:28 PM

The idea was for the ps2/3 eye toy, it was probably some sort of online game but then again what is stopping the player from setting their deck before the match ??

Alister

Aug 7th, 2006, 04:30 PM

It isn't a Yugioh game, however it is the same concept.

conan_xp

Aug 8th, 2006, 01:10 AM

ok back on topic. I think ps3 is more interesting to me than other systems since sony creates alot more different types of game than other systems in my opinion. Also they create more rpg games which i like so ps3 is what i want.

Alister

Aug 8th, 2006, 01:32 AM

Different.. types?

I'm sure the Wii will be far more unique than anything that Sony cobbles together.

In regards to RPGs... Without the Square Enix games, PS3 really doesn't have much. Even if there are other RPG titles for it, none of them are that compelling...

crap008

Aug 8th, 2006, 03:44 AM

Ps3 will have metal gear solid 4 though and i'm also looking forward to RE5 but i'll wait till a price drop till i get one.

pmaster4

Aug 8th, 2006, 11:10 AM

Sony makes interesting games?????

The only good Sony games i can remember are GT and God of War. It is the 3rd party developers that create most of Sony’s good games and they are loosing most of their exclusive titles since many developers are going multi platform or are shifting to the 360 and wii because of the high development cost of the PS3.

Metal Gear Solid looks good but i don't think it will sell as well as Halo 3 or Mario Galaxy plus RE5 is going to be on all systems

Besides look at the wii u know right away that all the games are going to be different

Alister

Aug 8th, 2006, 01:54 PM

pmaster4

Aug 8th, 2006, 02:35 PM

All that the PS3 has is MGS, GT and FF. FF games are being put on other platforms, so those don't really count..

Forza Motorsport 2 will be just as good if not better than the next GT...

Oblivion has ALREADY blown away FF.

MGS is a simple FPS, even Gears of War could take that on, and if MGS is better than Gears of War.. well then it will never beat Halo 3, regardless.

Sony’s main appeal was it large volume of games over the other systems, it does not have that advantage anymore so y spend the extra money???? The 360 already has a number of games out and the wii is launching with a ton of games, 7 form Ubisoft alone :aww:

ToushiSama

Aug 19th, 2006, 10:52 AM

The 360 is as it was at the time of launch full of Bugs. The whole point of the Wii is flexibility in gameplay. The controller, eventhough its design is a little out there, I think will prove to be a lot more versitile then most imagine. PS3, what can I say...the only thing anyone is talking about...the price. WTF FTW?!

Goten4

Aug 21st, 2006, 12:53 AM

Well with Dead Rising out, and really looking like a good game. I wish I had the money to buy a 360, so I could play Dead Rising real bad. I am sure if I buy a 360, I would find some other games I would like on it too.

Enigma

Aug 21st, 2006, 08:21 AM

Aug 21st, 2006, 04:04 PM

mgs wont be the same
with out a rumble

pmaster4

Aug 21st, 2006, 04:20 PM

Oh yeah i forgot the ps3 doesn't have rumble, but the ps1 originally didn't have rumble. I know rumble is standard in today's gaming but is it necessary???

DesTiNy

Aug 21st, 2006, 05:23 PM

ive been really psyched out about the new games coming out for the 360 (geares of war, army of 2, etc.), but i really think wii is going to do the best this time. nintendo systems are almost always really good, but made too many 'kiddy' games. well tahts changed. one of the biggest games im looking forward to getting for the wii is redsteel. this game looks awsome. now that nintendo is starting to make more livlier games, i really think its gonna do a lot better than its ever done. 360 will be just as good, because of how many great games are coming out for it. ps3 is gonna suck. itll be good, but noone will buy it cuz u can get a 360 and a wii for the price of the ps3. and you know ur console will fail one the developer isnt gonna buy it (thats right, ps3 head developer isnt buying it :D)

Alister

Aug 21st, 2006, 06:19 PM

MGS.....is a FPS? Last I check it's a third person game where you can aim in first person if you want to do specific damage somewhere.

Dood, it sounds like you know almost absolutley nothing about the Metal Gear series at all.
From what I'd seen of MGS 4, it seemed like it might be more FPS-style.

Also, either way I would classify it as an FPS, just like I would classify Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter as an FPS, etc.

Rev

Aug 21st, 2006, 07:36 PM

I use to really into the console stuff but I kind of stopped caring. I like nintendo and microsoft the most, sony can kiss my ass they keep trying to act like there better than microsoft when clearly they are not. Killzone was not a halo killer and came nowhere close. Sony has a ton of half assed games and then a few really good ones god of war etc. Xbox has the shooters and alot more multiplayer fun, though I cant wait for DMC4 and MGS4 on ps3, thats about it. Nintendo is looking great trying something new that hopefully dosent screw up, From what im guessing is nintendo is already far behind and wont recive that much support from 3rd party games with the whole control thing and will die early (I am a big nintendo fan but it is dying) so yea, looking forward to nintendo the most, xbox is where its at for multiplayer and PS3 can rot unless blu ray goes somewhere

pmaster4

Aug 21st, 2006, 08:32 PM

No support???? The wii is launching with 30+ games and only about 4 are 1st party titles. The wii is shaping up to be even bigger than the ds, and everyone thought that would flop

Alister

Aug 21st, 2006, 09:33 PM

The reason PS3 will fail is that they put all their eggs into the Blu-ray/Cell basket, and put all those eggs into the PS3 basket.

If Blu-ray fails, PS3 (and Cell) fail. If Cell fails, PS3 and Blu-ray fail. Thus the PS3 is 'High-risk' and anyone who understands what I have just said will not buy one until at least a year after it launches.

Rev

Aug 21st, 2006, 10:02 PM

pmaster4, I ment that with alot of multi platform games its hard to make them fit on the Wii, I know the new sonic is going on both xbox360 and ps3 but not wii, wii instead gets this sonic game where you run out of obsticles on a straight forward path, also I find that the wii might end up like an eye toy or something

pmaster4

Aug 21st, 2006, 11:17 PM

I think the blue ray thing is a gamble for sony. They are incorporating it into the ps3 so that blue ray players will have a larger user base than HD-DVD. This is a good move in a sense since people will buy a ps3 and when the go to buy movies they would get the blue ray version instead of the HD-Dvd format since their ps3 already plays blue ray disks. It doesn't make sense for a consumer to buy a ps3 and a HD-DVD player and as it is the ps3 may be an expensive game system but a very cheap blue ray player.

This could be another reason sony fails since their main focus is to make their blue ray format standard and less focus will be placed on gaming. PSP anyone???

Plus I think Sonic for wii looks cool I will need allot of reflexes, brigs back the old sonic feeling

Alister

Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:27 AM

pmaster - exactly.

However, HD-DVD is a friendlier 'next-gen' format. Also, Sony is FORCING people to get Blu-ray - so EVERYONE has to pay through the roof. This will deter a lot of people that only have a SDTV (non-HD), and thus have no use for Blu-ray. Those people, because they still want really great graphics, but don't care about HD and aren't going to pay good money for it, will buy a 360. Others who wanted the PS3 because it will have the sequel to certain games that were around since the PS1 (and again, don't have an HDTV) will most likely wait a year or 2 and buy the PS3 then, or simply buy a Wii, because that has some games they liked when they were little as well.

MS with the Xbox 360 is letting people choose, whereas Sony is shoving it down your throat and saying 'AND 600 BUCKS IS NOW MISSING FROM YOUR WALLET'.

Meanwhile the Wii is just standing there like "hai gaiz.. I'm a gaming platform"