islamaphobia

[Sharingan]

I think I spelled it correctly.

Anyhow, let's start to talk about it. What are your views on it?

[Darksage]

I fear Muslims... In fact I fear all organized religions. They're all like "You don't have to know what you're saying or doing, just say what we tell you to say, stand when we tell you to stand, sit when we tell you to sit, kneel when we tell you to kneel, andd come back next week."
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Cause you end up with shite like this:

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/catholic-fights-to-have-church-lift/20061126104309990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

When the religious 'leaders' try to make up rules as they go.

[Swift]

muslims=retarded.

thats my view on it.

[Sharingan]

now now victor

no need to be harsh... thats like saying Christianity=hypocrites (JUST AN example NOT My actual view as i am neutral)

if you make a comment please debate about why you beleive so

[Darksage]

A team of researchers (young and old) researched the origins of Islam and discovered that Muhammed was born in a Judeo-Christian (Jewish/Christian) village, and his original works were interpretations of the Hebrew texts. As they were destroyed and lost, his friends and followers purposely mistranslated his texts to gain support for the crusades against the Christtians. The religion of Islam has it's ultimate basis in Judaism and should be considered nothing more than a radical Judeo-christian sect.

^ That was information published in an article decades after it was found because of hostility in the Middle East and the tendency of Muslims to ensue acts of fanaticism (fear to publish it at all, I think).
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The conclusions of...historians of Islam are devastating: that we know almost nothing about the life of the Muslim prophet Mohammad; that the rapid rise of the religion can be attributed, at least in part, to the attraction of Islam's message of conquest and jihad for the tribes of the Arabian peninsula; that the Koran as we know it today was compiled, or perhaps even written, long after Mohammad's supposed death in 632AD. Most controversially of all, the researchers say that there existed an anti-Christian alliance between Arabs and Jews in the earliest days of Islam, and that the religion may be best understood as a heretical branch of rabbinical Judaism.

With no contemporary Muslim sources to refer to, a group of young historians working under the brilliant linguist Professor John Wansbrough at the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in the Seventies developed new scholarly techniques, drawing heavily on earlier biblical scholarship. Following Wansbrough's lead, they decided to look at the Koran as a literary text, to compare it to other devotional writings of the period and to look at internal clues to its origin. They found that it owed much to Judaism, especially the Talmud, a collection of commentaries and interpretations of the Hebrew Bible. They concluded, tentatively, that in the form that survives, the Koran was compiled, if not written, decades after the time of Mohammad, probably by converts to Islam in the Middle East, who introduced elements from the religions previously dominant in the region. Patricia Crone and Michael Cook, also working at SOAS at the time, provided an even more devastating analysis by looking at the only surviving contemporary accounts of the Islamic invasion, written in Armenian, Greek, Aramaic and Syriac by Middle Eastern witnesses to the rise of Islam. They found that Islam, as represented by admittedly biased sources, was in essence a tribal conspiracy against the Byzantine and Persian empires with deep roots in Judaism, and that Arabs and Jews were allies in these conquering communities.

[bakafish007]

muslims=retarded.

thats my view on it.

really? did you forget that i'm muslim? or are you just trying increase your post count?

people who fear someone because what they believe in is different from their beliefs are nothing more than hate-mongers, such as yourself.
A team of researchers (young and old) researched the origins of Islam and discovered that Muhammed was born in a Judeo-Christian (Jewish/Christian) village, and his original works were interpretations of the Hebrew texts. As they were destroyed and lost, his friends and followers purposely mistranslated his texts to gain support for the crusades against the Christtians. The religion of Islam has it's ultimate basis in Judaism and should be considered nothing more than a radical Judeo-christian sect.



^ That was information published in an article decades after it was found because of hostility in the Middle East and the tendency of Muslims to ensue acts of fanaticism (fear to publish it at all, I think).


actually, dark, even though the study was right in saying that islam has roots in christianity and judaism, nobody was able to understand why or how had knowledge of biblical characters when he was an illiterate until the age of forty. he never met anyone who taught him this, except one christian monk who he was delivering some goods and only stayed at his place for one night. that's not enough time for one man to know all the people in the scriptures. even the jews of medina couldn't explain how. remember, by his time, all knowledge of abraham and such apostles had faded away to nothing, with only the fact that his tribe was of direct descent from abraham. this was a city of idolators.
with what you said about the compilation of the qu'ran, there were strict guidlines to compiling thoses verses. even though the prophet muhammed didn't write down his revelations, people around him memorised what he said (this is a society where telling stories from tradition is more sacred than the written word). after he died, his companions sought everyone who had heard his revelations. the conditions were:
a) they had heard this revelation directly from the prophet.
b) there had to have been at least two witnesses with that person.
c) it had to be considered the exact wording of the revelation, all of which had been memorised by the prophet's companions, including his wife Aisha who remembered every single revelation he had told her.
the only reason they wanted to compile the revelations was because there had started springing several versions of the qu'ran that had extra revelations added, some parts missing, or even were completely false. if you look at any qu'ran now, they are exactly the same, word for word. that is something that differs a great deal from the bible, or the torah, both of which have several editions/ versions.

bringing the topic around, fear of islam is on the same level as a fear of gypsies or jews during the middle ages of europe. they weren't understood, so people followed the old dictum: "what they do not understand, they fear; and what they fear, they destroy."

[Swift]

now now victor

no need to be harsh... thats like saying Christianity=hypocrites (JUST AN example NOT My actual view as i am neutral)

if you make a comment please debate about why you beleive so

i can be as harsh as i want. its my opinion.


really? did you forget that i'm muslim? or are you just trying increase your post count?

people who fear someone because what they believe in is different from their beliefs are nothing more than hate-mongers, such as yourself.
no i didnt forget, cause i never knew. and guess what? i don't care if you're muslim or not. islam is a fool's religion. thats my opinion. and trust me, i am MUCH MORE than a hate-monger. as for my post count... hahahahahaha, i couldn't give a smaller shit about that. you got me all wrong man.



actually, dark, even though the study was right in saying that islam has roots in christianity and judaism, nobody was able to understand why or how had knowledge of biblical characters when he was an illiterate until the age of forty. he never met anyone who taught him this, except one christian monk who he was delivering some goods and only stayed at his place for one night. that's not enough time for one man to know all the people in the scriptures. even the jews of medina couldn't explain how. remember, by his time, all knowledge of abraham and such apostles had faded away to nothing, with only the fact that his tribe was of direct descent from abraham. this was a city of idolators.
with what you said about the compilation of the qu'ran, there were strict guidlines to compiling thoses verses. even though the prophet muhammed didn't write down his revelations, people around him memorised what he said (this is a society where telling stories from tradition is more sacred than the written word). after he died, his companions sought everyone who had heard his revelations. the conditions were:
a) they had heard this revelation directly from the prophet.
b) there had to have been at least two witnesses with that person.
c) it had to be considered the exact wording of the revelation, all of which had been memorised by the prophet's companions, including his wife Aisha who remembered every single revelation he had told her.
the only reason they wanted to compile the revelations was because there had started springing several versions of the qu'ran that had extra revelations added, some parts missing, or even were completely false. if you look at any qu'ran now, they are exactly the same, word for word. that is something that differs a great deal from the bible, or the torah, both of which have several editions/ versions.

bringing the topic around, fear of islam is on the same level as a fear of gypsies or jews during the middle ages of europe. they weren't understood, so people followed the old dictum: "what they do not understand, they fear; and what they fear, they destroy."

pssssh. haha, nobody remembers anything that large word for word. moving on.

and yes i am afraid of them. i'm not afraid of admitting it. since 9/11 i've had a tendency to fear them, especially in airplane situation. dont like it? too bad, thats life.

[L]

Swift, part of religion is the faith that anything can happen, for Christians as if somebody could walk on water or part it without even touching it, our logical rational minds are telling us this, yet we choose to believe in religion solely for the hope of a future.

[Darksage]

Swift, part of religion is the faith that anything can happen, for Christians as if somebody could walk on water or part it without even touching it, our logical rational minds are telling us this, yet we choose to believe in religion solely for the hope of a future.
Yes but there's a line between faith and fabrication. Muslims do it. Roman Catholics do it. I believe that your faith should at least have a basis

[L]

True, but in times like these people are willing to believe anything, faith can instantly change.

I myself am a Roman Catholic and believe everything my church says, doesn't mean it's right.

It's the blind faith of the human mind.

[Darksage]

Go to http://newadvent.org/ and look at half the crap the Vatican has "affirmed"..

[Swift]

Jesus was divine.

Muhammud was human.

his follwers would be even more prone to error.

[Kimeru]

Jesus was divine.

Was he? I think of him as another human.

[Swift]

Was he? I think of him as another human.
yes he was.

[Darksage]

Well considering Muhammed never turned water to wine or walked on water or healed the sick... yeah

[Sharingan]

Well jesus was born human... never seen any human that can change water into whine...

you know i really have not alot of knowledge on this debate i just wanted to learn i am researching atm on this so maybe i can put my 2 pence worth.

But we should try to respect all religions and respect others beliefs just cause this is the net don't mean that we should be harsh cause EVERYONE on this forum believes in something either they are Muslim or Christian or w.e or even aethiest their beliefs should be respected and stupid immature comments that people like victor is making should be refrained :-) this is a debate NOT swingers match

[bakafish007]

muslims also believe in jesus. but he wasn't divine. he was a prophet, like muhammed. that may make him a special man, but he still was a man.
the thing about a religion is that there are people who demand to have proof, which defies the very concept of faith. to accept without question is what faith really is. in which case that would mean every religion is a way for people to believe in the impossible. how else could you explain why it's alright to say that jesus brought life to the dead, moses split the sea, and muhammed was taken through all the seven levels of heaven and the seven levels of hell?
oh and swift, it is easy to remember all that stuff. how can you know so much about jesus? because that's what you were taught. every muslim child in the middle east is taught this stuff in the same manner you would at sunday school.
oh come on, mate! that's just being paranoid! how about if you saw a bunch of white guys without any hair on their heads? would you say that they are skinheads and klansmen? you'd be surprised how many white guys shave their heads but aren't skinheads. are you honestly tellin me that you're scared of me?!? the bastards who blew up the trade center are as much of a minority in the muslim world as followers of reverend robinson are in this country. arabs are like normal people: we're more happy just sitting at our tea houses, playing backgammon, and arguing with each other about the way the world develops. osama bin laden and his cronies are just what people concentrate on because america has for decades looked at the middle east with suspicion. there's a good book in the stores called "how hollywood has villified a people." you might find it interesting, mate.
yes muslims consider muhammed a man, but that is so that we do not glorify him as a god. christians believe in the father, the son, and the holy spirit, right? that is a form of polythesism, which goes against the teachings of christ. am i right?

[Kimeru]

Well considering Muhammed never turned water to wine or walked on water or healed the sick... yeah
Jesus did that? He was a magician. Awesome. Not much people can do that nowadays. Add that Muhammed never came back from death. Yeah.

[bakafish007]

he had the angels on his side, the same way solomon had the jinn obey him. look at the battles that was fought with the people of mecca who were chasing him and his followers.

[Darksage]

Jesus did that? He was a magician. Awesome. Not much people can do that nowadays. Add that Muhammed never came back from death. Yeah.
Exactly (XD)

[wancs1]

This debate is an age old arguement for centuries even millenia, when you categorized each religion to a certain type of group its bias, if you say muslims are terrorist what you called the war between christians in ireland or jews againts palastine for examples.

everybody have their own opinion and i respect that, its a free world, but when you are struggling for your life at Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza, somalia, angola for your very life then all you have is your prayers. Please stop this arguement and be more productive and help others in need whatever religion, ethnic, race, young , old they are

[Darksage]

lol? Don't you know that all the money and aid that goes to those countries gets stolen by the military and never actually gets to the people who need it. And how am I biased by saying Egypt was polytheistic and Christianity is monotheistic? It's fact. It's also a fact that Islam has the most fanatics. How you interpret that, however, is not up to me.

[bakafish007]

what the hell does the government of a country have to do with terrorists being present in the world? that has nothing to do with that.
the main reason most people show hatred to america is because a) america has a reputation to the outside world as a bunch of patronising bullies and b) that every arab is a terrorist. neither of those are true. it's like how people see cancer: they see some dark, sinister thing that is constantly changing, always coming up with a new way to kill you. the fact of the matter is that cancer's bark is worse than it's bite. the same is true with the majority of arab "fanatics". also, fanatic is a really subjective word to use. a person who preaches peace in a time of war could be looked at as a fanatic too.

[Darksage]

well I don't know what the hell wancs1 was going on about... o.O

[bakafish007]

he was just demonstrating a point that this arguement is just the same recycled stuff that has been going on for ages, simply because nobody bothered to understand and know what, how, and why people think the way they do. the best place to overcome "islamophobia" (skyline was right in making that point) is to live among muslims, and have them live among you.

[L]

Jesus did that? He was a magician. Awesome. Not many people can do that nowadays. Add that Muhammed never came back from death. Yeah.
Nazi'd tyvm.

[Kimeru]

Nazi'd tyvm.
When joke'stering, you have to make sure your sentence isn't 100% properly written.

[Sharingan]

OKAY NOW I HAVE SOME history


it all goes back to the Islamic Empire where the Islams lead by the Prophet Muhhamed (PBUH) who basically took over everything that now is today known as the middle east. Now the middle east is very ritch of oil and knowledge so the west all of eternity have been trying to take over this knowledge and this wealth just look at the crusades back at middle ages, unsuccessful to a degree of taking over the lands witch was once shared,

Now you see the western superpowers such as America really got involved AFTER world war 2 right, Now before that the arabs was involved with Germany and other countries they was kind of independent, (the muftiz of arabia google him to research on arab involvement with the nazis) so now that America after world war 2 really got a stake in world affairs right they turn to the Arabs. the arabs own allot of America as shown in the film 9/11. Now here is where the motives of attackers come in i made a WHOLE ESSAY about this right for school on the reason while some Radical muslims preach such terror. im upload it and take a read, its poorly written but its some sort of collection of evidence.

Please Take a look as its explains allot about the terrorist motives and the war on terror

[Deception]

now now victor

no need to be harsh... thats like saying Christianity=hypocrites (JUST AN example NOT My actual view as i am neutral)

if you make a comment please debate about why you beleive so

actually I'm christain and I have to agree on the fact that christain's are hypocrites. One reason is if you don't believe in god you won't go to heaven... Now christainity is only 10% of the worlds religion so that means 90% of the world will go to hell...

[Darksage]

The great thing about Christianity is that if you are a hypocrite, you aren't a Christian

[L]

And that's why Christians are such eliteists, gg.

[Darksage]

i forgot where I saw this:

Christianity > mud > Islam

OLO

[L]

lmao lolololol

[bakafish007]

OKAY NOW I HAVE SOME history


it all goes back to the Islamic Empire where the Islams lead by the Prophet Muhhamed (PBUH) who basically took over everything that now is today known as the middle east. Now the middle east is very ritch of oil and knowledge so the west all of eternity have been trying to take over this knowledge and this wealth just look at the crusades back at middle ages, unsuccessful to a degree of taking over the lands witch was once shared,

Now you see the western superpowers such as America really got involved AFTER world war 2 right, Now before that the arabs was involved with Germany and other countries they was kind of independent, (the muftiz of arabia google him to research on arab involvement with the nazis) so now that America after world war 2 really got a stake in world affairs right they turn to the Arabs. the arabs own allot of America as shown in the film 9/11. Now here is where the motives of attackers come in i made a WHOLE ESSAY about this right for school on the reason while some Radical muslims preach such terror. im upload it and take a read, its poorly written but its some sort of collection of evidence.

Please Take a look as its explains allot about the terrorist motives and the war on terror

i actually think you did a good job researching this and getting quotes. the only things i would criticise about it is that you are only citing one source. if you used more than one source, you should list them. also, the whole thing seems to be a long quote. you have the proof, but what's your thesis? what are you trying to prove? it's hard to get that if all that's going on is that you're firing off quote after quote after quote. try analysing them. give your own opinion, what you think about what's being said.

[Swift]

Well jesus was born human... never seen any human that can change water into whine...

you know i really have not alot of knowledge on this debate i just wanted to learn i am researching atm on this so maybe i can put my 2 pence worth.

But we should try to respect all religions and respect others beliefs just cause this is the net don't mean that we should be harsh cause EVERYONE on this forum believes in something either they are Muslim or Christian or w.e or even aethiest their beliefs should be respected and stupid immature comments that people like victor is making should be refrained :-) this is a debate NOT swingers match

uggh. i can respect your freedom, and i will tolerate until it affects me. your right to swing ends with when it touches my nose. if muslim is composed of a large portion of insensical radicals, then i will not respect the religion. i will not respect a religion that contradicts my own. of course i wont go on a witch hunt, but that doesn't mean i have to respect it.

all you pantsys go crying that we should be tolerant of everything. then be tolerant of my intolerance, you hypocritical fuck. in my opinion, saying jesus is a mere mortal is very immature and ignorant. live with it.

how are we elitist? we are simply people who are accepting that we are not perfect, and we cannot live without the help of our savior. yes we believe we are right, and yes we try to convert others, but thats because we are trying to help you. being christian isn't saying we're holier, it's admitting with sinners.


oh and swift, it is easy to remember all that stuff. how can you know so much about jesus? because that's what you were taught. every muslim child in the middle east is taught this stuff in the same manner you would at sunday school.
oh come on, mate! that's just being paranoid! how about if you saw a bunch of white guys without any hair on their heads? would you say that they are skinheads and klansmen? you'd be surprised how many white guys shave their heads but aren't skinheads. are you honestly tellin me that you're scared of me?!? the bastards who blew up the trade center are as much of a minority in the muslim world as followers of reverend robinson are in this country. arabs are like normal people: we're more happy just sitting at our tea houses, playing backgammon, and arguing with each other about the way the world develops.

no i wouldn't assume, but i consider it a strong possibility. and i sure as hell wouldnt be comfortable aroudn you.

what the hell does the government of a country have to do with terrorists being present in the world? that has nothing to do with that.
the main reason most people show hatred to america is because a) america has a reputation to the outside world as a bunch of patronising bullies and b) that every arab is a terrorist. neither of those are true. it's like how people see cancer: they see some dark, sinister thing that is constantly changing, always coming up with a new way to kill you. the fact of the matter is that cancer's bark is worse than it's bite. the same is true with the majority of arab "fanatics". also, fanatic is a really subjective word to use. a person who preaches peace in a time of war could be looked at as a fanatic too.

everything when the terroristic country isn't willing to give up its terrorists. i don't go throwing grenades at the monopolostic bully incorporations of the world just cause they're bullies do you?

[Sharingan]

quote on what swift just said look at lebanaon, the hezbulla is the mass supported however the government cant get rid of them, even they don't want them. Now the reason to this is because of support, Support of many Muslims who have no hope but to look up to these people who they see has martyrs of Islam, its like showing a video of propaganda to kids all there life since young age that a certain type of person is not accepted, an example that would be of the Nazis of 1933 of 1945, They had youth clubs they literally over ran the country they won support and everything was scapegoated on Jews, Blacks and disabled people. Now the thing is how can you get literally get 3/4 of a country population to support that the answer is very clear its because of Propaganda and temporary fixes such as in Nazis point the employment, education everything. Now because the nazis brought wealth back into Germany many people would have been devoted to them they would have accepted alot of the things that the Nazis did and the main reason is because of repetition of propaganda, Tell me how it would affect some one if everyday they would wake up and say the same thing everyday, now with the people of middle east its very similar theres small Hitlers everywhere, Hizbulla, Hammaas, Taliban, Al qaeda. Saddam Husain has been captured however look at Iraq its really funny the leaders been caught however the people of Iraq still fight, Reason to this is that the whole middle east have grown up in the hands of these extremists to blame the westerns for everything for crusade for the deaths of many middle eastern Muslims.

Now the thing is that over MANY years the west did not think this was such a problem, another theory is that this problem is nowhere near its peak but as you can see many people are getting involved such as iran, who iraq and feuds with. Iran are development of nuclear power, the question is does that make them terrorists? does that mean that all them extremists that are rallying people and making them do suicide mission are right? the westerns have got their priorities wrong instead they are after the wealth of the middle east, This problem is hardly ever going to resolve because of the views of Muslims. reason for this is because look at the saudis they have good relation with America thats because the types of Muslims views is very different the people that are using propaganda and rallying people are called wahabis they have militant beliefs.
so we cant say that they are a terrorist country because of what individuals are doing we cant criticize the whole religion. for example the pope he made a racist remark to Muslims does that make the whole roman catholic religion racists, i don't think so. Its people like swift that all their life have been living in a nutshell not accepting anything but "there local truth" that is the isolation of religion :) that is the cause of independent extremists who grow up infecting the others around them. this is a no win situation you blame the terrorists for creating fear witch affects Muslims well on the other hand Muslims can say we blame the Christian politics that affect middle east :), I wonder what the Irish would think of this

[Swift]

you're fucking retarded.

why else would we fight a war? we fight a war when it BENEFITS us. no other reason. and thats the way it should be for the sake of OUR country.

you dont see us bombing the shit out of Germany do you? No because we MOVE ON. we stopped hating germany, and its over and done with. the same way the crusades are OVER.

i don't see the point of the first paragraph at all... just proves my point, government has a lot to do with terrorism. lol.

Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. if they start using them, YES they are terrorists.

it's not a local truth. it's a universal truth. i cant be christian and say that muslims are right too. dur dur.

no time gotta go to school, write more later.

[Kimeru]

(Dammit, one of you, either try to type coherently or... This kills my eyes. Really. And I could enjoy reading some points there. Pretty please? D: )

[Darksage]

quote on what swift just said look at lebanaon, the hezbulla is the mass supported however the government cant get rid of them, even they don't want them. Now the reason to this is because of support, Support of many Muslims who have no hope but to look up to these people who they see has martyrs of Islam, its like showing a video of propaganda to kids all there life since young age that a certain type of person is not accepted, an example that would be of the Nazis of 1933 of 1945, They had youth clubs they literally over ran the country they won support and everything was scapegoated on Jews, Blacks and disabled people. Now the thing is how can you get literally get 3/4 of a country population to support that the answer is very clear its because of Propaganda and temporary fixes such as in Nazis point the employment, education everything. Now because the nazis brought wealth back into Germany many people would have been devoted to them they would have accepted alot of the things that the Nazis did and the main reason is because of repetition of propaganda, Tell me how it would affect some one if everyday they would wake up and say the same thing everyday, now with the people of middle east its very similar theres small Hitlers everywhere, Hizbulla, Hammaas, Taliban, Al qaeda. Saddam Husain has been captured however look at Iraq its really funny the leaders been caught however the people of Iraq still fight, Reason to this is that the whole middle east have grown up in the hands of these extremists to blame the westerns for everything for crusade for the deaths of many middle eastern Muslims.

Now the thing is that over MANY years the west did not think this was such a problem, another theory is that this problem is nowhere near its peak but as you can see many people are getting involved such as iran, who iraq and feuds with. Iran are development of nuclear power, the question is does that make them terrorists? does that mean that all them extremists that are rallying people and making them do suicide mission are right? the westerns have got their priorities wrong instead they are after the wealth of the middle east, This problem is hardly ever going to resolve because of the views of Muslims. reason for this is because look at the saudis they have good relation with America thats because the types of Muslims views is very different the people that are using propaganda and rallying people are called wahabis they have militant beliefs.
so we cant say that they are a terrorist country because of what individuals are doing we cant criticize the whole religion. for example the pope he made a racist remark to Muslims does that make the whole roman catholic religion racists, i don't think so. Its people like swift that all their life have been living in a nutshell not accepting anything but "there local truth" that is the isolation of religion :) that is the cause of independent extremists who grow up infecting the others around them. this is a no win situation you blame the terrorists for creating fear witch affects Muslims well on the other hand Muslims can say we blame the Christian politics that affect middle east :), I wonder what the Irish would think of this
Well, I wouldn't care what you say about Roman Catholics. They're all like "lolpope" and think he's perfect and God's representative on earth when he makes just as many mistakes as you and me and does some really stupid shit like starting the crusages, killing people who didn't want to convert and saying discriminatory remarks. Yeah, he's perfect alright.

Nuclear weapons, I'm kinda stuck on that. America has tons of nuclear weapons, and we're the only country to use them during wartime. So if America has nukes and Iran hates America, why shouldn't Iran develop nuclear weapons? But then again there's mutually assured destruction so whats the point in wasting the money and resources?

Bottom line is that the world does NOT need religious fanatics/extremists right now (or ever). There is NOTHING worse than a war that the fighters think is over religion. That's when both sides think they are doing God's will and will go to any lengths necessary to pull off a victory. If there are any extremists we need, it's an extremist for love and peace, not hate, destruction, and war (i.e. Jesus)

[Deception]

Well jesus was born human... never seen any human that can change water into whine...

you know i really have not alot of knowledge on this debate i just wanted to learn i am researching atm on this so maybe i can put my 2 pence worth.

But we should try to respect all religions and respect others beliefs just cause this is the net don't mean that we should be harsh cause EVERYONE on this forum believes in something either they are Muslim or Christian or w.e or even aethiest their beliefs should be respected and stupid immature comments that people like victor is making should be refrained :-) this is a debate NOT swingers match

hey man I can make apple cider turn into wine... it just takes a few months of sitting out and it works.

[bakafish007]

Well, I wouldn't care what you say about Roman Catholics. They're all like "lolpope" and think he's perfect and God's representative on earth when he makes just as many mistakes as you and me and does some really stupid shit like starting the crusages, killing people who didn't want to convert and saying discriminatory remarks. Yeah, he's perfect alright.

Nuclear weapons, I'm kinda stuck on that. America has tons of nuclear weapons, and we're the only country to use them during wartime. So if America has nukes and Iran hates America, why shouldn't Iran develop nuclear weapons? But then again there's mutually assured destruction so whats the point in wasting the money and resources?

Bottom line is that the world does NOT need religious fanatics/extremists right now (or ever). There is NOTHING worse than a war that the fighters think is over religion. That's when both sides think they are doing God's will and will go to any lengths necessary to pull off a victory. If there are any extremists we need, it's an extremist for love and peace, not hate, destruction, and war (i.e. Jesus)

with what your saying, dark, is that it creates another standoff between nations, like the cold war with the USSR and the USA. but the thing here is that Iran, as far as I have been reading, has been using nuclear technology for powering houses, factories and stuff. the USA doesn't want that because that means there is a nation near their oil refineries has the POTENTIAL to hiroshma them.

whatever, swift. you are entirely free to pick who you're paranoid of.

[Swift]

i'm not paranoid. i'm suspicious. and i just dont liek the religion in general.

[bakafish007]

like i said before: whatever, your opinion.

[bakafish007]

that too. thanks i forgot about that!

omg! hellspire! you actually listened and came to the forums!

[Sharingan]

i really have no idea what to say now... really absolute nothing.
As for nuclear weapons in Iran there is non its "Nuclear research."
Now i wish i had have read that book that hellspire told me to, what was it again :S

[Ereos]

but then the islamic people are expanding by multiplying....
Since no-one convertin to their religon they BREED like crazy... "RAPIDLY!"
a nuclear bomb is needed to reduce their numbers seriously!

[Darksage]

Islam makes me laugh... their religion is supposedly a continuation off of Christianity, and they believe in absolutely everything Jesus said except that jesus was God, and Jesus being God was the only thing that qualified Him to say everything He said.

[wancs1]

i think this disscussion is going somewhere we don't want it to be, whatever your religion or belief is, so be it, don't mock others for their belief, war started with religious aggravators/fanatics no matter what religiion their are or an atheis, lets move on and evolved so that we are not the same as our forefathers.

[Darksage]

i think this disscussion is going somewhere we don't want it to be, whatever your religion or belief is, so be it, don't mock others for their belief, war started with religious aggravators/fanatics no matter what religiion their are or an atheis, lets move on and evolved so that we are not the same as our forefathers.
"Dudes, how about this. We'll adopt that guy Jesus' teachings cause they were really sweet and all, but, let's scratch the part about Him being God. That won't work for us."
I'm not mocking the belief. I'm pointing out what I think is retarded with it. The Jews believed in God and waited for the Messiah to come - Juudaism. The Christians believe in the same God as the Jews and believe that Jesus is that Messiah - Christianity. At least Christianity actually fits into Judaism. Islam does not fit into either. If I'm mocking anything, it's the intelligence level of a muslim who can't see that. You can't just carry over the teachings of Jesus and then say He wasn't God. The only reason He said half of the things He said was because he was God (perfect, all-knowing, etc) and is the reason that no other human being had said such things before or since [with respect to originality]. I fear such people who can't make simple deductions, hence islamophobia.

[wancs1]

i can't say that im an expert in Islam or christianity but right me if im wrong, but the pattern is that of course you can relate christianity to judiasm because jesus is a jew and the the jews crucify him. islam was merge from arab nation. of course you can't see the similarity, but teachings on 'amar maaruf nahi mungkar' which is arabic, means do not do any wrongdoings and when you see something wrong doing correct it, sorry for the loose translation. about jesus is not god, he's a man, he died right, a dead god? what is that so now there's no god? please clarify it for me

[Swift]

i can't say that im an expert in Islam or christianity but right me if im wrong, but the pattern is that of course you can relate christianity to judiasm because jesus is a jew and the the jews crucify him. islam was merge from arab nation. of course you can't see the similarity, but teachings on 'amar maaruf nahi mungkar' which is arabic, means do not do any wrongdoings and when you see something wrong doing correct it, sorry for the loose translation. about jesus is not god, he's a man, he died right, a dead god? what is that so now there's no god? please clarify it for me

arggh. you know what? take a lap...


i think this disscussion is going somewhere we don't want it to be, whatever your religion or belief is, so be it, don't mock others for their belief, war started with religious aggravators/fanatics no matter what religiion their are or an atheis, lets move on and evolved so that we are not the same as our forefathers.

why not? i can mock anyone i want.

[wancs1]

me too

[Darksage]

i can't say that im an expert in Islam or christianity but right me if im wrong, but the pattern is that of course you can relate christianity to judiasm because jesus is a jew and the the jews crucify him. islam was merge from arab nation. of course you can't see the similarity, but teachings on 'amar maaruf nahi mungkar' which is arabic, means do not do any wrongdoings and when you see something wrong doing correct it, sorry for the loose translation. about jesus is not god, he's a man, he died right, a dead god? what is that so now there's no god? please clarify it for me
Honestly, I have no idea what you just said...

[bakafish007]

i can't say that im an expert in Islam or christianity but right me if im wrong, but the pattern is that of course you can relate christianity to judiasm because jesus is a jew and the the jews crucify him. islam was merge from arab nation. of course you can't see the similarity, but teachings on 'amar maaruf nahi mungkar' which is arabic, means do not do any wrongdoings and when you see something wrong doing correct it, sorry for the loose translation. about jesus is not god, he's a man, he died right, a dead god? what is that so now there's no god? please clarify it for me

he's not god in the sense that's he's human. god is a completely separate entity who created us. the islamic view is that if you say that first jesus is the son of god, you would be insinuating that he's subject to the same feelings, and impulses that we are. second, by saying that jesus is the son of god, you would saying that god is mortal, and is subject to aging. after all, the father in a family grows older and weaker, while the son matures and eventually starts to be stronger than his father. can you say that god, someone who's existed forever, suddenly get too old for the god business and hand over the family business to his son? the third and main point of the arguement is that by saying that jesus and god are on equal status, you are worshiping more than one god (polythesism and idolatry).


dark, it's not like that: the thing about the messiah is that god sent one to each and every race on the planet. the jews got moses. the christians got jesus. the arabs got abraham. mohammed was the last messiah, and he was the messenger of the world. you shouldn't think about the messiah being our saviour. if that's the case, then we wouldn't need to worry about getting in trouble. "the lord helps those who help themselves", right? how do you do that? by having people come with a message (these are the "messiahs". they simply all had the same message)

[Darksage]

he's not god in the sense that's he's human. god is a completely separate entity who created us. the islamic view is that if you say that first jesus is the son of god, you would be insinuating that he's subject to the same feelings, and impulses that we are. second, by saying that jesus is the son of god, you would saying that god is mortal, and is subject to aging. after all, the father in a family grows older and weaker, while the son matures and eventually starts to be stronger than his father. can you say that god, someone who's existed forever, suddenly get too old for the god business and hand over the family business to his son? the third and main point of the arguement is that by saying that jesus and god are on equal status, you are worshiping more than one god (polythesism and idolatry).


dark, it's not like that: the thing about the messiah is that god sent one to each and every race on the planet. the jews got moses. the christians got jesus. the arabs got abraham. mohammed was the last messiah, and he was the messenger of the world. you shouldn't think about the messiah being our saviour. if that's the case, then we wouldn't need to worry about getting in trouble. "the lord helps those who help themselves", right? how do you do that? by having people come with a message (these are the "messiahs". they simply all had the same message)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
It's like saying we have being X. Obviously, being X is himself, but also, everything that comes out of being X is being X, but it is also with being X. It seems paradoxical until you really think about it.
And haven't you ever heard of the trinity? One God in three forms? Jesus was subject to the same feelings and temptations we are, but he overcame the evil ones, thats why He's so special. And God didn't send Jesus to Earth to carry on God-work because he was getting old... wtf where did you hear that? If it was an analogy, it's a crappy one. And how does having a son make you mortal? You 'points' make no sense.

[L]

Jesus supposedly came down with no original sin, like Mary, if you're Roman Catholic only I think.

But christianity, no matter what variation, has the same concept of the Holy Trinity, so I'll back up Darksage I guess.

It was true that Jesus had human emotions and temptations, but he had above human reactions to everything that happened to him.

As if a normal man would willingly let himself be put up on a cross for all to see.

[Darksage]

No, original sin is a universal Christian thing cause he was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not a man

John 1 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=John&version1=31)

[wancs1]

wow i got a bad rep for my opinions? well that's ok, at least my rep increase, bakafish thanks for clarifying the facts, we should not get too emotional when giving opinions, but religion is based on emotions and feelings, if their not then billions of people won't accept it wholeheartedly. this is going to be my last comment on this thread, im sorry if i offended anybody here. thank you

[L]

No, original sin is a universal Christian thing cause he was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not a man

John 1 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=John&version1=31)
I was talking about Mary being holy, she's not important in some variations.

[Darksage]

I was talking about Mary being holy, she's not important in some variations.
Oooh that little farce, lol. i always thought that was funny. the Bible says Jesus was the only perfect person ever and next thing you know the Catholic Church is like "HEY WAIT GUYS MARY WAS TOO!!"
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wow i got a bad rep for my opinions? well that's ok, at least my rep increase, bakafish thanks for clarifying the facts, we should not get too emotional when giving opinions, but religion is based on emotions and feelings, if their not then billions of people won't accept it wholeheartedly. this is going to be my last comment on this thread, im sorry if i offended anybody here. thank you
You actually got a really good rep o_O;

[L]

The Catholic church is too wishy-washy, don't like it.

[Darksage]

I think the Catholic Church is the reason Christianity has a negative reputation in a lot of people's eyes. They're the ones who tell you you don't need to know what church is for, just say what they tell you to say and donate your money. They're the ones that urge you to donate money to the poor, meanwhile the Roman Catholic Church is one of the richest organizations in the world, the Vatican has their own military guard, and there's more than enough jewels and gold in the Pope's hat to feed a whole country of starving people. Then there's the stuff they just decided to make up, like purgatory, Mary being perfect, the Pope always being right (OLO @ the current Pope being a Nazi), going to confession, saying memorized words to forgive sins, praying to "saints" (who are just people) and not God... gah it pisses me off just typing about it.

[Kimeru]

Oooh that little farce, lol. i always thought that was funny. the Bible says Jesus was the only perfect person ever and next thing you know the Catholic Church is like "HEY WAIT GUYS MARY WAS TOO!!"
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You actually got a really good rep o_O;
I had -rep'd him for that post in the introduction forum, and since I have the rep powers, well... it goes red easily.

[bakafish007]

No, original sin is a universal Christian thing cause he was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not a man

John 1 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=John&version1=31)

it's also a muslim thing. how many times do i have to repeat it? we all believe in adam, and all that. the thing that separates muslims from christians is one minor detail, just like the thing that separates jews from christians.
as for having a son and not being mortal, think about the yin and the yang of it: if you live, you must also die. how else can nature balance itself out?
we all are a part of god dark, just as much as we being parts of our parents (from a genetic view). but you cannot say that someone is more a part of god than the others. we all are human, we established that. the thing that made jesus and mohammed different from the rest of us is that neither of them succumbed to the temptations we all have. if you say that mohammed is just a cheap imitation of jesus, what about moses to jesus? abraham to moses, solomon to abraham, and so on?
as for the trinity, that means you worship god in three forms. i had an irish teacher when i was a kid, that was one of the first things i had to learn from her. but if god exists in all of us, can you honestly say that he has only three forms? no. he is formless, because he has an infinite number of forms he can take. the trinity means you have given three definite forms to God, which in that sense, is polythesism.
i can't say that i'm completely right darksage, but i know that i'm not completely wrong.

[Sharingan]

this topics full of shit now

[Darksage]

it's also a muslim thing. how many times do i have to repeat it? we all believe in adam, and all that. the thing that separates muslims from christians is one minor detail, just like the thing that separates jews from christians.
as for having a son and not being mortal, think about the yin and the yang of it: if you live, you must also die. how else can nature balance itself out?
we all are a part of god dark, just as much as we being parts of our parents (from a genetic view). but you cannot say that someone is more a part of god than the others. we all are human, we established that. the thing that made jesus and mohammed different from the rest of us is that neither of them succumbed to the temptations we all have. if you say that mohammed is just a cheap imitation of jesus, what about moses to jesus? abraham to moses, solomon to abraham, and so on?
as for the trinity, that means you worship god in three forms. i had an irish teacher when i was a kid, that was one of the first things i had to learn from her. but if god exists in all of us, can you honestly say that he has only three forms? no. he is formless, because he has an infinite number of forms he can take. the trinity means you have given three definite forms to God, which in that sense, is polythesism.
i can't say that i'm completely right darksage, but i know that i'm not completely wrong.
As for original sin, I didn't really mean it was only a Christian thing, avarice just said that he thought only Catholics believed in that, I wasn't thinking Islam at the time.
And nothing is impossible for God. Are you saying that He cannot create a man who is 100% human and 100% divine?

What is the great point of Islam? If I'm right, Islam is the third and final revelation of God, true? So tell me how Muhammed fulfills the prophecies in the torah (which was God's first revelation in your belief) which makes him the Prophet that will save the world from sin. I can understand someone saying "blah Jesus was not the Messiah" but then why do you believe Muhammed is this great prophet? What I'm trying to say is that if Islam is God's third revelation, Judaism and Christianity must also be true (except for Jesus being the Son of God) in terms of scripture, so how does Islam fulfill/fit in to the torah and the Bible?

[Sharingan]

its states that no one shall ever be as great nor as divine as allah him self (god)
jesus had power to heal he had power that no other prohets had, and we are taught to respect cause jesus was the one whol took the people of moses to new teachings witch where sent by god threw jesus, same like mohammed he wa sent to preach new teachings by god, but some people still beelived in moses who later became jews and some people who still beleived in jesus who became Isa (prounounced e-saa) people however the bible clearly shows different versions and also it has been re-written. Where as the followers of mohammed became Muslims the last set of teachings that was presented by god. thats the logical way to see it. :) and that is shown in the Quran - e - majid.
Isa aka jesus was taken by god as the quran says he was one that god gave power to and that jesus is not dead he will return on the day of judgment to take his people to heaven, however people who beleive he was crucified will not be accepted because they have changed it, they cant accept that there was no cause to his death therefor many generations over the bible has been changed :) the bible should have been a separate book of the teachings of Isa witch was given to him by god. However there was no book, non to record the torah is a real book as it was given t moses to make his people follow but moses people drifted that is why jesus came after jesus was mohammed who came to teach the idol worshippers that god would punish them, ect there would have to be a whole story about this. So every one who followed jew would be jesus followers and all that followed jesus would follow mohammed however that did not happen, some remained to there own prophets and thats how multi-religions formed, those who did not folow the last teachings of god now worship idols and re-writen books,

[Darksage]

its states that no one shall ever be as great nor as divine as allah him self (god)
jesus had power to heal he had power that no other prohets had, and we are taught to respect cause jesus was the one whol took the people of moses to new teachings witch where sent by god threw jesus, same like mohammed he wa sent to preach new teachings by god, but some people still beelived in moses who later became jews and some people who still beleived in jesus who became Isa (prounounced e-saa) people however the bible clearly shows different versions and also it has been re-written. Where as the followers of mohammed became Muslims the last set of teachings that was presented by god. thats the logical way to see it. :) and that is shown in the Quran - e - majid.
Isa aka jesus was taken by god as the quran says he was one that god gave power to and that jesus is not dead he will return on the day of judgment to take his people to heaven, however people who beleive he was crucified will not be accepted because they have changed it, they cant accept that there was no cause to his death therefor many generations over the bible has been changed :) the bible should have been a separate book of the teachings of Isa witch was given to him by god. However there was no book, non to record the torah is a real book as it was given t moses to make his people follow but moses people drifted that is why jesus came after jesus was mohammed who came to teach the idol worshippers that god would punish them, ect there would have to be a whole story about this. So every one who followed jew would be jesus followers and all that followed jesus would follow mohammed however that did not happen, some remained to there own prophets and thats how multi-religions formed, those who did not folow the last teachings of god now worship idols and re-writen books,
The scriptures in the bible were written 50-60 yers after Jesus died. If that's a date too far away to let them be considered accurate sources, how is the Qu'ran any better when the Islamic texts weren't written until centuries after Muhammed's death? If Moses drifted and Jesus had to come, why then did Moses and Jesus (and Elijah) converse during the Transfiguration?

I can also use your very same argument and say that Jesus was supposed to be the final prophet so everyone who believed in Moses should believe in jesus but not all jews became Christians, and Muhammed was making his stuff up and thats how different religions were formed.

I'm open to islam, really. But I need something compelling. Rock-hard reasons why you or baka believe in Muhammed and allah and not Jesus as the Son of God

(as for the Trinity being polytheistic argument, think of a circle. Draw lines that divide it into thirds and label them 1, 2, and 3. Area 1 is part of the whole circle, but it also has it's own area. Thats like what the trinity is.)

[Sharingan]

i really have no idea what trinity is or w,e i have no knowledge on the terms you believers of idols beleive lol

[Darksage]

i really have no idea what trinity is or w,e i have no knowledge on the terms you believers of idols beleive lol
Believers of idols? I don't worship statues or anything of the sort o.O;; no christian does.

[bakafish007]

you know guys, i think we need to stop for a minute. the problem when talking about religon is that we start getting too heated up and eventually we start saying stuff that might be hurtful. so let's all stop this thread for just a minute till we all calm down.

[Sharingan]

okay leme make a clay model of "your messiah" and that will make it perfectly "worshipable" like millions of other do, hell theres a whole company that just makes models )

[L]

you know guys, i think we need to stop for a minute. the problem when talking about religon is that we start getting too heated up and eventually we start saying stuff that might be hurtful. so let's all stop this thread for just a minute till we all calm down.
Why anyone on the internetz should take something seriously is beyond me. What does it matter if someone hundreds of miles away from you insults you?

Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics, no matter who wins, you're still retarded.

[Darksage]

okay leme make a clay model of "your messiah" and that will make it perfectly "worshipable" like millions of other do, hell theres a whole company that just makes models )

Dude... lol, it's even in the Ten Commandments (the second or third one) not to build or worship any idols, so i beg to differ, millions don't.

You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods

[Swift]

you know guys, i think we need to stop for a minute. the problem when talking about religon is that we start getting too heated up and eventually we start saying stuff that might be hurtful. so let's all stop this thread for just a minute till we all calm down.

oh yes wouln't want to state what we believe and offend somebody would we?

okay leme make a clay model of "your messiah" and that will make it perfectly "worshipable" like millions of other do, hell theres a whole company that just makes models )

you're retarded. lol. next type right and type something at least somewhat correct yea?

[bakafish007]

oh yes wouln't want to state what we believe and offend somebody would we?



I'm confused. are you actually saying that with concern? or are you just being sarcastic as usual?

all i'm saying is that now this thread is getting out of hand and is starting to look like some of the meetings i've been to. nobody can win an arguement when each person is pointing out disrepencies with each other's ideology. what i was wondering now is that if we have so many differences, how is it that some people are abel to still get along, despite such differences in thought?

Why anyone on the internetz should take something seriously is beyond me. What does it matter if someone hundreds of miles away from you insults you?



Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics, no matter who wins, you're still retarded.

-_-; sorry avarice. most of my classes involve internet discussion, so i tend to take it seriously, even if it's a force of habit.

[Sharingan]

okay swift :-) i hope you enjoy christmas <3

and all of the other great christians who want there presents and a holiday :D
btw i asked them what christmas was... all i got back was MONEYZ MONEYZ and from the adults "great time to get off to work"

[Darksage]

okay swift :-) i hope you enjoy christmas <3

and all of the other great christians who want there presents and a holiday :D
btw i asked them what christmas was... all i got back was MONEYZ MONEYZ and from the adults "great time to get off to work"
So? The Bible doesn't say to give people gifts or decorate trees on Christmas, it's become a secular holiday now.

[L]

They basically hijacked our holiday...

[Sharingan]

go jesus for dieing (H)! we get millions of pressies

[Darksage]

Avarice is a smart man *nods*

With a good memory.

XD

[L]

Yes, I even remember the day I started the Avarice, Kimeru, Darksage Love Triangle.

Anyway, why can't Christians keep Christmas? Why does everyone have to have a holiday around December?

Like that Jewish mumbojumbo.

That Diwali stuff that Hindus (?) celebrate.

Err.. I'm pretty sure Muslims have something this month or in the surrounding months.

[Darksage]

It's based on Tradition. Jesus' birthday was around springtime because the sheperds had just started bringing their flock out to graze.

[Swift]

okay swift :-) i hope you enjoy christmas <3

and all of the other great christians who want there presents and a holiday :D
btw i asked them what christmas was... all i got back was MONEYZ MONEYZ and from the adults "great time to get off to work"

seriously... take a lap, or two.

christmas = jesus being born. COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF DYING. got it? good! we're getting somewhere.


okay swift :-) i hope you enjoy christmas <3

and all of the other great christians who want there presents and a holiday :D
btw i asked them what christmas was... all i got back was MONEYZ MONEYZ and from the adults "great time to get off to work"

i also asked 20 men what they thought of women, and they said they're all bitches. of course a sample of such small proportion is a fair representive of the much larger body right? get the stupidity of your assumptions yet?

so they said "moneyz moneyz?" O RLY? tell me more.

you are the definition of retarded. next time while you ask that question, ask how often they attend church, how dedicated they are, and test them to see if they are hypocritical or not.

but hey i will enjoy my christmas.

ps- you're a bitch! and 9/10 people agree. cause i asked them.

[Darksage]

I hate christmas-time for the reason that it has been twisted from a day of rememberance of the kindness, joy, and goodness that Jesus enamated to a season of economic insanity fueled by materialistic gluttons. I can guarantee you that for Christians and non-Christians alike, the word "Christmas" does not create a first thought of Jesus but a first thought of what's going to be wrapped up under the tree.

[L]

Everyone's become accustomed to it, but, at least, people still show eachother a little more kindness during the season.

[Ereos]

True
but it like nowadays get a present if u dont return one back feel guilty!
and not alot of ppl use the tree now... it like give a present ppl will leave it aside some place and find it back again on xmas day or open it before xmas day from what i seen lol

but i got my money!! and lots of chocolate hahaha

[masrur]

I'm a 100% with Darksage's opinion of Chrismas. Instead of a religious holiday, its a secular one of which people just indulge themselves and the fricking rich people buy their kids all 3 consoles cause they are fags and want to gloat to other people about it and make their kids fail school in the long run.

And I have never seen someone actually nicer during Chrismas time. Only on TV. And wtf is up with the crap cartoons during Chrismas time? The flood every cartoon channel with that bullshit and show the same Chrismas movies all the time (unless they make new ones... which the will eventually replay). But "supposedly" they increases the moral values of children (so I've heard).

[Alister]

I'm a 100% with Darksage's opinion of Chrismas. Instead of a religious holiday, its a secular one of which people just indulge themselves and the fricking rich people buy their kids all 3 consoles cause they are fags and want to gloat to other people about it and make their kids fail school in the long run.

And I have never seen someone actually nicer during Chrismas time. Only on TV. And wtf is up with the crap cartoons during Chrismas time? The flood every cartoon channel with that bullshit and show the same Chrismas movies all the time (unless they make new ones... which the will eventually replay). But "supposedly" they increases the moral values of children (so I've heard).
Someone never snuggled up under a blanket with some hot chocolate and marshmallows on Christmas Eve to watch the Grinch.

[Mantis]

muslims=retarded.
Ha! euh on this one i think i wont laugh ...
Process Computer... 100% Terminated
Contacting Alquaida Base. Counter-Attack infidel
Prepare to die!!!!

[Sharingan]

man fuck the anti-muslim you guys need to antimissle your mums

[Guji_Romeo]

i find this thread very wrong, as i am muslim blah, ur saying it liek we're virus's or somehting, just because bush said that iraq has terrorist's it dnt make every muslim in this world a terrorist, dyamn, people are so narrow minded, not all muslims are bad people, its a relgioin at the end of the day if u dnt like thats ur view, but dnt say it in a disrespectful way.

if ur not part of a religion and u fink it sucks, then keep it to your self,

im muslim and proud of it, i dnt go hurting random people, i carry on with my life like every single one of you,

but if u wanna make fun out of us for wat ever reason do it somewhere else!

and yes i am afraid of them. i'm not afraid of admitting it. since 9/11 i've had a tendency to fear them, especially in airplane situation. dont like it? too bad, thats life.

u do realise Americans staged the attack on 9/11 right?

if you didint you must be a retard

Well considering Muhammed never turned water to wine or walked on water or healed the sick... yeah

blah u guys really have small minds

he had the angels on his side, the same way solomon had the jinn obey him. look at the battles that was fought with the people of mecca who were chasing him and his followers.

bro no point trying to explain to "some" of these lot, i dnt think they bother reading, its another way to diss us, and shitty way to build up your post count!

but then the islamic people are expanding by multiplying....
Since no-one convertin to their religon they BREED like crazy... "RAPIDLY!"
a nuclear bomb is needed to reduce their numbers seriously!

im personally guna kick ur ass

this topics full of shit now

agreed

[Darksage]

By saying "Americans" staged the attack on the World Trade Center, you do still realize that they were Islamist extremists right? And I'm not sure if they were American, but that would make sense since they'd need to be citizens. But still either way terrorism shouldn't be a reason someone thinks Islam is crap... It's very similar to christianity with the nonviolence and all that so terrorism isn't a reflection of their religion.

[Guji_Romeo]

terrorism isn't a reflection of their religion

im sure bush wud say otherwise

[Darksage]

im sure bush wud say otherwise
Cause he's an ass. Bush is the dude that preches morality on issues like gay marriage and abortion but then finds it okay to lie to the Aerican people about a war and invading our privacy with the patriot act.

[Guji_Romeo]

a war that wasnt even right to begin with, whats the point of bombing a country where it is unable to grow food and bomb it more make it indefinatly unable to grow anything, no water no food, whats the friggin piont? jjust for some oil? what happens what that goes?

[L]

Bush doesn't know shit, period.

Can't solve problems at all, and just tries to sound smart by going along with conversations, dodging questions, and having his speech writer sound his words out for him.

He's left so much unfinished and undone we might as well erase him from the list.

The worst decision for America, was to listen to its own incompetant, oblivious, leader.

[Guji_Romeo]

well said XD

[Sharingan]

Bush doesn't know shit, period.

Can't solve problems at all, and just tries to sound smart by going along with conversations, dodging questions, and having his speech writer sound his words out for him.

He's left so much unfinished and undone we might as well erase him from the list.

The worst decision for America, was to listen to its own incompetant, oblivious, leader.

exact reason why they listened to him

[Darksage]

Bush doesn't know shit, period.

Can't solve problems at all, and just tries to sound smart by going along with conversations, dodging questions, and having his speech writer sound his words out for him.

He's left so much unfinished and undone we might as well erase him from the list.

The worst decision for America, was to listen to its own incompetant, oblivious, leader.
Hence voter apathy

[Sharingan]

Hence voter apathy

god i love the sarcasm

[enolex]

its so true! i wouldn't want to be the next president and clean up his mess

[Ereos]

truesay
he done so many stupid things

[SoC Kemaro]

I dislike bush. He doesn't really have a good impact on the US.. only so much longer to wait 'til he's gone. He doesn't have a son that can try to take over in a few years, does he?

[masrur]

I dislike bush. He doesn't really have a good impact on the US.. only so much longer to wait 'til he's gone. He doesn't have a son that can try to take over in a few years, does he?

Two Daughters, they twins and they are idiots. They a DUI that shamed their family. n00bs.

The world hates America because of Bush. I don't know a single person in Kuwait (cept maybe the Amir, whos the leader) who doesn't hate Bush. Favoring Isreal so much really isn't helping the relations with the Muslim nations >_>...

[Ereos]

the leader probably hates him, himself
only sucking up to him due to poltical reasons

[Haibara]

I hate Bush, can't wait till he's out of office. I wonder if Hilary Clinton is running in the next election. I wonder what will become of the so called "war" then.

[L]

Obama > Clinton, but I'm personally rooting for Giulliani. (sp?)

[bakafish007]

I dislike bush. He doesn't really have a good impact on the US.. only so much longer to wait 'til he's gone. He doesn't have a son that can try to take over in a few years, does he?

no, but he has a brother. i think gw got his idiot gene from his mother (she says the most asinine things, if you bother listening to her!)

[l33tpocky]

Religion is just pure dag nasty evil . Coated in good will people do far to many stupid things in its name. So yes I do not believe in Religion . I find it hard to belive in God. What i believe in is the will of the human heart and thats good enough for me. Ask me about it id love to talk more on the subject. As for muslims i like them just as much as i do my jewish , chiristan , taoist, budist, athieist and agnogist friends.